Comments on: Former Florida elections chief on West-Murphy: ‘How do you get away with doing a partial recount?’

By: maire

maire — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:43:51 +0000

The St Lucie county no recount,OK maybe a partial absentee recount,no OK partial early vote recount but we couldn’t finish the recount,missing damaged voting machine memory cartridges,OOPS bunglers or incompetents??? The pragmatic and fair course is for the FL Secy of State to refuse to certify the St Lucie county ballot count and order uncontaminated and impartial election officials from any counties outside of St Lucie county to conduct a 100% SUPERVISED recount.

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By: Sid

Sid — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:09:36 +0000

Allen West is a living example of a true looser! He spent his entire term calling all Muslims terrorists. Guest what, it was the Muslim vote difference (Some 150K registered voters) who kicked him out of the office.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:14:19 +0000

‘How do you get away with doing a partial recount?’ Bush v Gore 2000, that how. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

By: Lori

Lori — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:33:08 +0000

The only palatable candidate was Romney and Allen West. I don’t like Obama for his constant lying, cheating, spending, and his non love of America. A candidate that wants to help all Americans get a job is what America needed. Well America, you got Obama so here we go off the cliff…

By: Former Democrat

Former Democrat — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:11:05 +0000

@Thetruthhurts . . .”Democrats are against bigotry and ignorance.”

OMGosh, side ache from hysterical laughter. Ignorance is the only thing liberals can rightly claim.

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By: Les Martin

Les Martin — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:15:20 +0000

The issue is that the voter can not properly authenticate their vote. There is no standard for collecting votes, not only in this case but nationally, leading to “errors” and “anomalies”. Interesting, US technology patents allow citizens of India to vote via retina scans (a registered voter get authenticated by something they ARE) and has a copy of their vote. Furthermore, not yet discussed is the memory cards are not subject to a digital review, can be easily hacked by insertion of a card, anytine during the election process. Lastly, the underlying issue is that the voters have no way to ensure that the machines are actually identical in terms of the algorithmns (the code/app or program -pick your fancy for term to understand how the machine “counts”) are not “hashed” to ensure election officials KNOW the machines are in fact identical. There is no mention of this in the article, no will there be as little Information Technology Best Practices are employed and demonstrated to election officials. Statistically speaking, the “anomalies” encountered are abnormal and could be avoided entirely by employing standards our country has developed and employed in foreign nations and their elections. The reader should ask, if this is true, then who in this country would NOT want each and every vote to count just ONCE for each citizen….. that currently is a sad commentary as both partoes do not seem to want this unless they are losing. This situation could easily be avoided as simply as each reader avoids such a debacle when they are authenictaed when utilizing their credit cards. As for the voting process, currently Democrats seem weanton on defeating this authentication process in this country. THat is the trned as they do so relying on the vast electorate not understanding how information is collected stored and moved securely in this digital internet age. Florida seems to suffer from the most antiquated of voter identification standrads coupled with machines that are not authenticated……. that is they are all the same as for the code, the firmware versions and how they produce results. Election officials probably will never see any of this. This usually does not and will not ever be allowed in any secure IT environment that collects stores and securely moves citizen data on other Florida digital computing networks. Ground truth on the lack of IT Security, identification and authentication of the voting process mentioned here.

By: The Law Is The Law

The Law Is The Law — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:45:39 +0000

@DDS,

Most welcome!

I could not agree more that the fact that we are having “technical glitches” is absurd.

Frankly, imho, we need automatic registration for all citizens over 18 and federal regulation of voting. No more losing your registration if you move. No more Secretaries of State coordinating suppression tactics with partisan state legislatures. And finally (finally) uniform voting procedure for ALL polling locations around the country.

The fact that we are even talking about these issues in the year 2012 is just one of a series of national embarrassments.

By: jdlogspook

jdlogspook — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:12:04 +0000

The evidence from this election shows that the Demonrats cheated every way possible to win this election, everything from rigged voting machines to denial of votes for serving military.
When areas of some cities showed 0% votes for Romney something is wrong ! Please to God get rid of the Chicago thugs helping Oblahma and by extension working against West in Florida…

By: Big Daddy

Big Daddy — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:27:19 +0000

@The Truth Hurts…..Boy, you are one of those that the louder you scream, then you must be right? Since we have gone to all these erred electronic voting machines, there has been problems. The issue isn’t about the normal election process, which the .5% rule falls into, but rather irregularities in polling and counting, which both Palm Beach and St. Lucie County Supervisors of Elections have admitted to. That is a whole different ball of wax.

Personally, I don’t care what candidates or what political parties are involved, just that election results be error free, to the extent of human possibility, which these results, obviously aren’t.

It should be one vote, one count, not one vote and it may or may not count.

By: CarolO

CarolO — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:15:48 +0000

And……..by Law, the Supervision of Elections did not have to do any recount at all. She told the Judge she would do one on the days in question and it was agreed upon. She did that.

Votes in St Lucie, Palm Beach and Martin have all be certified already and will be announced on the 20th.

By: CarolO

CarolO — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:06:46 +0000

Actually, the count Sunday changed West’s votes to 132 LESS and Murphy’s to 667 LESS. This is the 799 difference reported by Geoge Bennett in his post here but it was NOT a net gain by either candidate. Murphy still come out the winner and the margin of error for recount still does not apply.

Why is West so shocked he might have lost in a close election? He won Palm Beach by only 11 votes…..after absentee and provisional ballots were counted…..he won by 185. If anyone requested a recount, it should have been Murphy with that slight difference in totals.

By: R Scott

R Scott — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:50:28 +0000

Like General Petraeus and all the other Washington insiders, General West is above the law, period. That seat in Congress is his, has been, and always will be, so help us Dog.

By: Melissa

Melissa — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:50:01 +0000

Those of you who are suggesting that Gertrude Walker doesn’t care who won don’t seem to understand that she has to operate within the law. She can’t just decide to do a recount when the margin of victory is more than .5%. A judge can order it and I’m sure she’ll be happy to do it if that is the case, but she can’t simply decide on her own to do one.

By: BigDem

BigDem — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:42:20 +0000

Let Freedom Ring

Courage of his convictions ? ROFLMAO!!!!!

That Uncle Tom is owned by the Koch brothers lock stock and knee pads!!!
He does exactly what his wealthy owners tell him to!!

By: Sherri

Sherri — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:35:40 +0000

This is an appalling miscarriage of justice! I don’t understand why Walker wouldn’t care about who legitimately won the election. This action speakers a lot about her character and the state our country is in. I thought I lived in a country where honesty still prevailed like our forefathers hoped for. Apparently I was wrong.

By: Let Freedom Ring

Let Freedom Ring — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:31:49 +0000

Congressman Allen West is an honorable man who has defended liberty both in his military career and in the Congress. Those of you who deride him for having the courage of his convictions….you show your true intolerant colors. When your progressive government comes to oppress you, and it will, remember the words you wrote here today.

By: RobWPB

RobWPB — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:29:45 +0000

Can’t ignore two facts here:

1. “Being that she (St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker) has done a partial recount of ballots, how do you get away with doing a partial recount and not a total recount? The law doesn’t make any provision for a partial recount. It’s either all or nothing,”

2. Dems dont care about right or wrong as long as it works out for them in the end…

By: Rose Lake

Rose Lake — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:12:28 +0000

The ballot totals are what they are, and the election commission should now take steps to assure the public that it has verified exactly what the totals are. I now consider anything less to indicate fraud, since they agreed to one thing, and then unilaterally substituted a half-measure at the last minute.

By: DDW

DDW — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:11:45 +0000

@The Law is The Law,
Thank you for taking the time answering my questions. AS you stated there was some sort of a glitch and for the monies that has been spent sense the embarrassment of 2000, I would like to think they would get it right the first time without the glitches. I do agree that Mr. West will fail in his bid for the total recount under the laws of Florida. If Mr. West provides the funding for the recount in all three counties involved, he has that right to ask for the total recount.
Mr. Murphy will prevail for the seat in Congress regardless.
I do believe the term partial recount came from a previous article pertaining the Sunday morning meeting from the camp of Mr.West.
I do not question the actions of Ms. Walker or her people but do question the equipment that is being used by them.
Again,
Thank you for taking the time to address the questions.
DDW

By: Searcher

Searcher — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:06:32 +0000

When Obama won I was THRILLED. When I found out West lost, it actually renewed my faith in mankind. But, as Bill Maher said, thanks for Michelle Bachman, since we still need a little comic relief!

By: John Bull

John Bull — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:57:30 +0000

Any of you brave, nutless sideline quarterbacks calling Allen West a coward: I don’t think you would be so outspoken calling him a coward to his face! He’s got a very legitimate claim!

By: The Truth Hurts

The Truth Hurts — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:53:47 +0000

@Jack Buechner-Where’s the $$ to hire a top notch Tea Party attorney? Where’s all the Tea Party leaders running to West’s aid? Nowhere because they know he LOST. The SOE of St. Lucie county has been on the job 30+ years and has NOTHING to hide. She’s more than competent and West is only pressuring her because he was told to ‘take a hike’ in Palm Beach County. If there is a recount to be done, RECOUNT MARTIN COUNTY TOO!!

The Democrats have nothing against him because of his skin color, what they are against is his insane rantings, hateful rhetoric, and offensive personality. Democrats are against bigotry and ignorance.

West is a WAR criminal and was the luckiest SOB in the world. He must have known something about higher ranking officers to have avoided a court martial and over a decade of imprisonment.

Whatever Patrick Murphy or his family have done, does not constitute felonous assault, torture, breaking major wartime treaties & conduct unbecoming an officer.

The Democrats is not the party preaching hate and intolerance.

By: lmmd

lmmd — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:30:03 +0000

@ cortney – get off your high horse bub

By: The Law Is The Law

The Law Is The Law — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:30:03 +0000

@DDW

In all sincerety, I don’t understand what you don’t understand.

There was a glitch with the loading of 3 days of early voting into the system. It is perfectly logical and consistent that the vote total changed when the 3 days were properly loaded into the system because it didn’t work properly the first time. As far as I understand, we don’t know why it “didn’t work properly” the first time. Maybe the cartridge was loaded properly and the technician thought it didn’t work and so loaded it again. A situation along those lines would explain why there were “too many votes” and why upon a reboot of those 3 days, the proper totals were tabulated.

I think you and others need to disabuse yourself of the notion that there was a “partial recount”. There was no such thing. There was an emergency meeting regarding this technical snafu. At the meeting they decided to address the cartridge loading problem for the 3 days of votes for which there was a technical error. They did so and the proper count was tabulated. Perfectly logical.

Looking at it another way, it is also perfectly logical that they did not assess early voting from the other days because A) there was no technical glitch for those other days and B) this was NOT a recount called into action because of the recount laws of the state of Florida.

Obviously we don’t know exactly what happened regarding those three days, but what makes the LEAST sense to me is electoral fraud committed by career election officials at the St Lucie County SOE. This is their job. Why would they risk their livlihoods just to fraudulently help one candidate? From the TCPalm website profile on Ms. Walker she has been the SOE since 1980 and deputy SOE for 12 years prior. She’s going to throw away her entire career over THIS election? On tabulating 3 days of early voting? Preposterous. She would not only be forfeiting her career as SLC SOE, but who would hire her to work their elections if she got dismissed for election fraud? The whole thing is laughable. That is why I am utterly confident that Allen West will sue, lose, and officially lose the election.

By: Cortney Daugherty

Cortney Daugherty — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:27:44 +0000

Like Tex I am disturbed by the responses of Democrates who seem to be more interested in revenge and insults hidden behind a facade self rightousness. Taunts and insults are not a measure of your reasons nor advance your morale cause. If West loses let it be with an open and observed recount of all ballots.

By: PaulDF

PaulDF — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:26:40 +0000

Someone in a higher position?

Are you thinking perhaps Eric Holder would step in and uphold the law?

I hear Saturday Nite Live is looking for some comedians. Good luck with that.

By: PaulDF

PaulDF — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:24:09 +0000

To summarize; a vote is taken, and questions arise that lead to a recount of a sample. That sample is proven corrupted.

And we are considering NOT doing a full recount??

On what planet does that make sense?