Comments on: Trayvon Martin’s parents plead with Gov. Scott’s task force to change ‘Stand Your Ground’ http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/ News about politics and government in Florida Wed, 22 May 2013 17:04:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Mister http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-467321 The Mister Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:21:46 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-467321 George Zimmerman and Travon Martin were brothers, both of them being humans that were complex and imperfect. Travon is now dead despite his lack of a weapon or any evidence that he was guilty of any wrongdoing that might provoke a confrontation. After reading some of the more hateful comments that Travons white brothers have left on this messageboard, it's not hard to imagine that a zealous man with a gun might hope that a "thug" would give him any reason to gun him down. And perhaps Travon gave him exactly what he was in pursuit of, a reason to use his gun. As responsible humans we owe it to both our imperfect brothers to seek the truth out as best we can without being ourselves guilty of playing favorites. I was appalled when I read the story about the young man and woman who were so viciously abused and murdered. I was glad that their killers were in custody and I hope those who did this are executed no matter what their race. In all fairness however I'd expect a civil backlash if those killers were released after confessing what they did. That's what happened initially in the Travon case. That's what got the black community upset because there are senior citizens who can vividly remember a time in Florida when a lynching was fine with the police as long as you were lynching dark people. It's 2012 now and it's not OK for the police to dismiss confessed killers of unarmed children. And that's a good thing for all complexions. George Zimmerman and Travon Martin were brothers, both of them being humans that were complex and imperfect. Travon is now dead despite his lack of a weapon or any evidence that he was guilty of any wrongdoing that might provoke a confrontation. After reading some of the more hateful comments that Travons white brothers have left on this messageboard, it’s not hard to imagine that a zealous man with a gun might hope that a “thug” would give him any reason to gun him down. And perhaps Travon gave him exactly what he was in pursuit of, a reason to use his gun. As responsible humans we owe it to both our imperfect brothers to seek the truth out as best we can without being ourselves guilty of playing favorites.
I was appalled when I read the story about the young man and woman who were so viciously abused and murdered. I was glad that their killers were in custody and I hope those who did this are executed no matter what their race. In all fairness however I’d expect a civil backlash if those killers were released after confessing what they did. That’s what happened initially in the Travon case. That’s what got the black community upset because there are senior citizens who can vividly remember a time in Florida when a lynching was fine with the police as long as you were lynching dark people. It’s 2012 now and it’s not OK for the police to dismiss confessed killers of unarmed children. And that’s a good thing for all complexions.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-465762 ant Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:04:44 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-465762 i wonder can zimmermans claim for getting punched first get reversed and be looked at as indirect circumstantial landing in prison? i wonder can zimmermans claim for getting punched first get reversed and be looked at as indirect circumstantial landing in prison?

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-465366 ant Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:48:06 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-465366 if bag was used to seal the chest wound why is there no blood on the bag. why is trayvons snacks in his pocket and the bag the snacks were in was on the ground marked as evidence. was it zimmerman walking around with the flash light in the begining what did he pick up or do? why johns story dosent match with eveyone else saying zimmerman was straddling martin with both hands. you can tell some witness's tried to lie for zimmerman by changing thier stories. one seen a fist fight now they seen nothing. the other said throwing blows mix martial arts style now not sure. who are the nieghbor hood watch arty members in that community who was on duty. what are thier nieghbor hood watch suppose to be equiped with? flash lights. after it happen people ith flash lights came around the corner. the young man had to cough up blood out his mouth why isnt there blood on zimmerman. if bag was used to seal the chest wound why is there no blood on the bag. why is trayvons snacks in his pocket and the bag the snacks were in was on the ground marked as evidence. was it zimmerman walking around with the flash light in the begining what did he pick up or do? why johns story dosent match with eveyone else saying zimmerman was straddling martin with both hands. you can tell some witness’s tried to lie for zimmerman by changing thier stories. one seen a fist fight now they seen nothing. the other said throwing blows mix martial arts style now not sure. who are the nieghbor hood watch arty members in that community who was on duty. what are thier nieghbor hood watch suppose to be equiped with? flash lights. after it happen people ith flash lights came around the corner. the young man had to cough up blood out his mouth why isnt there blood on zimmerman.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-465354 ant Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:19:11 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-465354 my name is ant could someone look at he map of the community and tell me if my theroy is correct? i think iam, it make more sence of the story of what happen, remeber trayvon been in that little community for a week before it happened so it cant be the first time zimmerman laid eyes on trayvon.He cut trayvon off from geting home. I do believe how many times trayvon been to the store that week did he ever talk about seeing zimmerman then? are there 911 calls made by zimmerman before the night of the incident during trayvons vist. and if so what does trayvons wordrobe looks like because zimmerman had to describe to 911. my name is ant could someone look at he map of the community and tell me if my theroy is correct? i think iam, it make more sence of the story of what happen, remeber trayvon been in that little community for a week before it happened so it cant be the first time zimmerman laid eyes on trayvon.He cut trayvon off from geting home. I do believe how many times trayvon been to the store that week did he ever talk about seeing zimmerman then? are there 911 calls made by zimmerman before the night of the incident during trayvons vist. and if so what does trayvons wordrobe looks like because zimmerman had to describe to 911.

]]> By: Serrano http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-465347 Serrano Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:05:23 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-465347 The law is fine.If good guys don't have guns only bad guys will.It's our second ammendment right and duty to protect our families,selves and country from foes foreign or domestic.I'm sorry for the loss of your Son.Zimmerman will have his day in court and be tried by a jury of his piers as in accordance with Fl law. The law is fine.If good guys don’t have guns only bad guys will.It’s our second ammendment right and duty to protect our families,selves and country from foes foreign or domestic.I’m sorry for the loss of your Son.Zimmerman will have his day in court and be tried by a jury of his piers as in accordance with Fl law.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-465097 ant Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:53:08 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-465097 i think trayvon ran down retreat view then head down south through the little cut throughs thats between the buildings then zimmerman ran down twin trees looking up the cut throughs between the buildings linking retreat view circle and twin trees while still heading towards east part of retreat circle where he claimed to get address. you can tell by the cell phone signals presented by dispatch. trayvon on the other hand paused a bit to see where zimmerman was going to come from before he took his chance to run down one of the cut throughs, between the building heading south toward home. Before then zimmerman waited around the same location he claim to get the address for police. he must of been steering gazing with his eyes down the sidewalk looking toward his vehicle expecting trayvon to come out one of the cut throughs intersecting off twin trees and also kelp focus on the east part, of retreat view circle looking north. so he was waiting in the dark where twin trees side walk meets with retreat view sidewalk occupying two directions,north up retreat view circle and back west toward his vehicle waiting for trayvon to come out a cut through between the buildings. {that probally explain the maple leaf on the ground at the scene coming from between the cut through between the buildings}. zimmerman could probally hear trayvon coming down the cut through and started to approach what he expected, with gun and flash light,in both hands. As trayvon came through the cut through heading south for home from leaving the top part of retreat view circle he made a slight diagnal left turn from the cut through to the back walk leading to his back door.As trayvon made the diagnal turn to get to the T of the sidewalk he realized zimmerman by surprise coming toward him from his left side, then trayvon admediately told his girl friend {something like} oooh "hes following me again" "he getting closer and closer"still getting a few feet on his back walk trayvon then turned around in a puzzled state of mind and asked zimmerman "what are you following me for? zimmerman reply with "what you doing around here? then again trayvon ask the same question, then zimmerman challenge trayvon again with the same question.trayvon back up to avoid and head home them zimmerman struck martin in the head on his hoodie with the flash light on the left side knocking out his ear piece throwing the first blow as he claimed martin did to him he done to martin.{prove me wrong then} i think trayvon ran down retreat view then head down south through the little cut throughs thats between the buildings then zimmerman ran down twin trees looking up the cut throughs between the buildings linking retreat view circle and twin trees while still heading towards east part of retreat circle where he claimed to get address.
you can tell by the cell phone signals presented by dispatch. trayvon on the other hand paused a bit to see where zimmerman was going to come from before he took his chance to run down one of the cut throughs, between the building heading south toward home. Before then zimmerman waited around the same location he claim to get the address for police. he must of been steering gazing with his eyes down the sidewalk looking toward his vehicle expecting trayvon to come out one of the cut throughs intersecting off twin trees and also kelp focus on the east part, of retreat view circle looking north. so he was waiting in the dark where twin trees side walk meets with retreat view sidewalk occupying two directions,north up retreat view circle and back west toward his vehicle waiting for trayvon to come out a cut through between the buildings. {that probally explain the maple leaf on the ground at the scene coming from between the cut through between the buildings}. zimmerman could probally hear trayvon coming down the cut through and started to approach what he expected, with gun and flash light,in both hands. As trayvon came through the cut through heading south for home from leaving the top part of retreat view circle he made a slight diagnal left turn from the cut through to the back walk leading to his back door.As trayvon made the diagnal turn to get to the T of the sidewalk he realized zimmerman by surprise coming toward him from his left side, then trayvon admediately told his girl friend {something like} oooh “hes following me again” “he getting closer and closer”still getting a few feet on his back walk trayvon then turned around in a puzzled state of mind and asked zimmerman “what are you following me for? zimmerman reply with “what you doing around here? then again trayvon ask the same question, then zimmerman challenge trayvon again with the same question.trayvon back up to avoid and head home them zimmerman struck martin in the head on his hoodie with the flash light on the left side knocking out his ear piece throwing the first blow as he claimed martin did to him he done to martin.{prove me wrong then}

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-464458 ant Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:21:09 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-464458 charges take a step up now that federals are involved. charges take a step up now that federals are involved.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-464454 ant Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:12:57 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-464454 If YOU LOOK AT THE MAP TRAYVON SUPPOSE TO BEEN AT THE CLUB HOUSE WHY IS EVERYONE DWELLING ON THE ISSUE TRAYVON RAN DOWN TWIN TREES TO THE BACK WALK. It will be his normal route probally, but what if someone is stalking you wouldnt take you off route a little. He had to take off his normal route a little bit because how could someone realize thier being followed. Trayvon had to do something out of the ordinary to realize he is being followed. Something like running down retreat view cirlce instead of twinn trees the route he usually takes then came down between housing complex's where you may have trees and in the little cut trough spaces you see in the map. Look at the cut through leading from retreat view cirlce to a short diagnal turn leading to the back sidewalk where the incident took place, then zimmerman run downs retreat view to cut him off preventing him from getting to the back walk ways. THink about it that wasnt the first time or day that zimmerman probally laid eyes on trayvon in that little community he had to see him before. maybe one of the overzealous minded 911 calls zimmerman made was also on trayvon but we will never know that, bottom line he knew where trayvon was headed and to which apartment i do belive, because he stated the direct objective, trayvon was head before he had to be heading that direction and why i think that because of all the running of both indivisuals and the location of the incident I can tell you trayvon was hunted down. If YOU LOOK AT THE MAP TRAYVON SUPPOSE TO BEEN AT THE CLUB HOUSE WHY IS EVERYONE DWELLING ON THE ISSUE TRAYVON RAN DOWN TWIN TREES TO THE BACK WALK. It will be his normal route probally, but what if someone is stalking you wouldnt take you off route a little. He had to take off his normal route a little bit because how could someone realize thier being followed. Trayvon had to do something out of the ordinary to realize he is being followed.
Something like running down retreat view cirlce instead of twinn trees the route he usually takes then came down between housing complex’s where you may have trees and in the little cut trough spaces you see in the map. Look at the cut through leading from retreat view cirlce to a short diagnal turn leading to the back sidewalk where the incident took place, then zimmerman run downs retreat view to cut him off preventing him from getting to the back walk ways.
THink about it that wasnt the first time or day that zimmerman probally laid eyes on trayvon in that little community he had to see him before. maybe one of the overzealous minded 911 calls zimmerman made was also on trayvon but we will never know that, bottom line he knew where trayvon was headed and to which apartment i do belive, because he stated the direct objective, trayvon was head before he had to be heading that direction and why i think that because of all the running of both indivisuals and the location of the incident I can tell you trayvon was hunted down.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-464416 ant Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:53:57 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-464416 zimmerman couldnt been afraid for his life because he was the agressor persuing someone with a gun on more than one occasion with the same person, becaused remember he lost him at first. why didnt zimmerman get an adress of where he parked his truck? as far as the interview with dee,dee, yes trayvon was describing to her everything that was going on at the time. He felt threaten by zimmermans cold stares. remeber you can hear screams before the trigger was pulled and it wasnt zimmermans voice. zimmerman couldnt been afraid for his life because he was the agressor persuing someone with a gun on more than one occasion with the same person, becaused remember he lost him at first. why didnt zimmerman get an adress of where he parked his truck? as far as the interview with dee,dee, yes trayvon was describing to her everything that was going on at the time. He felt threaten by zimmermans cold stares. remeber you can hear screams before the trigger was pulled and it wasnt zimmermans voice.

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-463701 FS 776.031 Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:06:45 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463701 LOL, I know tons of US prosecutors, judges CIA people, etc. All Rules of Courts are published including Judges here: http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/tfblegalres.nsf/d64b801203bc919485256709006a561c/e1a89a0dc5248d1785256b2f006cccee?opendocument Right now show me where anything you've said is in any Florida Rule's of Courts. U don't need to wait to ask your family member. Even Judges Rules are at the FLAbar link here!!!!! Your BS is falling apart quick LOL! LOL,

I know tons of US prosecutors, judges CIA people, etc.

All Rules of Courts are published including Judges here:

http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/tfblegalres.nsf/d64b801203bc919485256709006a561c/e1a89a0dc5248d1785256b2f006cccee?opendocument

Right now show me where anything you’ve said is in any Florida Rule’s of Courts.

U don’t need to wait to ask your family member. Even Judges Rules are at the FLAbar link here!!!!!

Your BS is falling apart quick LOL!

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-463695 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:58:34 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463695 LOL, save me the BS. Where at FLAbar does it say what you said: http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement Just tell me the page! LOL, save me the BS.

Where at FLAbar does it say what you said:

http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement

Just tell me the page!

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-2/#comment-463693 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:55:30 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463693 LOL- "you can pursue somebody and still have a fear for your life" When I was in Military, and I pursed someone in Europe late 90's, never once did I purse someone I feared. It's a clear contradiction, if you fear, you're attempting to get out of incident not race towards it. Your police example. PBSO has 2 cases that the public has many unanswered questions about how they claimed fear, many lawyers are even saying PBSO hand no legal right to be at Seth Adams property at all. I used Seth Adams case as example. How does PBSO Claim a legal right to defend Seth Adams property from Seth Adams himself??????? Under 776.031 it's Statutory Impermissible for PBSO to Claim legal right to defend property or self against someone on their own property. LOL- “you can pursue somebody and still have a fear for your life”

When I was in Military, and I pursed someone in Europe late 90′s, never once did I purse someone I feared.

It’s a clear contradiction, if you fear, you’re attempting to get out of incident not race towards it.

Your police example.

PBSO has 2 cases that the public has many unanswered questions about how they claimed fear, many lawyers are even saying PBSO hand no legal right to be at Seth Adams property at all.

I used Seth Adams case as example. How does PBSO Claim a legal right to defend Seth Adams property from Seth Adams himself???????

Under 776.031 it’s Statutory Impermissible for PBSO to Claim legal right to defend property or self against someone on their own property.

]]> By: LOL http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463691 LOL Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:52:16 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463691 The highest degree of murder is, obviously, murder in the first degree. Murder in the first is defined as a murder committed with intent, premeditation, and planning. For instance, if someone schemes out to murder their business partner and make it look like an accident, that would be murder in the first degree. First degree murder depends on the ability to prove premeditation, which is nearly impossible if the killer and the victim didn't previously know each other. Just below that is murder in the second degree. Murder in the second is functionally identical to first degree murder, but without premeditation and planning. An example would be if someone got into an argument at a bar and ended up stabbing the other person to death, that would be murder in the second degree. Manslaughter encompasses all other forms of homicide which don't rise to the level of murder, including cases where the person has a temporarily diminished capacity for rational judgment, or deaths arising from negligence or recklessness. For instance, if you had a bar fight that was provoked by the revelation that someone's spouse was cheating on them, and one of the participants ended up dead, that could be manslaughter. Likewise, if you have a fistfight and one of the participants falls and cracks their head open on the pavement, that could also be manslaughter. Or, someone provoking a fight which then ends with them exercising lethal self defense--even if they met the legal definition for self defense, reasonably fearing for their life, they would still be culpable for starting the confrontation which resulted in death, making it manslaughter. The penalty in Florida for murder in the second is a minimum of 16 3/4 years in prison, with up to life in prison or up to life probation at the discretion of the judge. The penalty in Florida for manslaughter is a minimum of 9 1/4 years in prison, with up to 15 years in prison and/or up to 15 years probation at the discretion of the judge. My statement of "25 years min" I believe is wrong. I will ask my family member who is a state prosecuting attorney for the state of FL for homicide and ask what she believes if you would like me to. The highest degree of murder is, obviously, murder in the first degree. Murder in the first is defined as a murder committed with intent, premeditation, and planning. For instance, if someone schemes out to murder their business partner and make it look like an accident, that would be murder in the first degree. First degree murder depends on the ability to prove premeditation, which is nearly impossible if the killer and the victim didn’t previously know each other.

Just below that is murder in the second degree. Murder in the second is functionally identical to first degree murder, but without premeditation and planning. An example would be if someone got into an argument at a bar and ended up stabbing the other person to death, that would be murder in the second degree.

Manslaughter encompasses all other forms of homicide which don’t rise to the level of murder, including cases where the person has a temporarily diminished capacity for rational judgment, or deaths arising from negligence or recklessness. For instance, if you had a bar fight that was provoked by the revelation that someone’s spouse was cheating on them, and one of the participants ended up dead, that could be manslaughter. Likewise, if you have a fistfight and one of the participants falls and cracks their head open on the pavement, that could also be manslaughter. Or, someone provoking a fight which then ends with them exercising lethal self defense–even if they met the legal definition for self defense, reasonably fearing for their life, they would still be culpable for starting the confrontation which resulted in death, making it manslaughter.

The penalty in Florida for murder in the second is a minimum of 16 3/4 years in prison, with up to life in prison or up to life probation at the discretion of the judge.

The penalty in Florida for manslaughter is a minimum of 9 1/4 years in prison, with up to 15 years in prison and/or up to 15 years probation at the discretion of the judge.

My statement of “25 years min” I believe is wrong. I will ask my family member who is a state prosecuting attorney for the state of FL for homicide and ask what she believes if you would like me to.

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463689 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:43:31 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463689 LOL, your becoming funnier and funnier. LOL - ""It isn’t fair to bring in Zimmerman’s creditability because he lied about his finances."" So in your mind LOL, if someone lies on court record (Financial Disclosure is Court Record), that lie on court record shouldn't be brought back up in other court proceeding to prove false testimony?????? That really make sense in you mind??? LOL, your becoming funnier and funnier.

LOL – “”It isn’t fair to bring in Zimmerman’s creditability because he lied about his finances.”"

So in your mind LOL, if someone lies on court record (Financial Disclosure is Court Record),

that lie on court record shouldn’t be brought back up in other court proceeding to prove false testimony??????

That really make sense in you mind???

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463687 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:38:50 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463687 LOL OK LOL - "Second degree murder carries a minimum of 25 years where manslaughter does not have a minimum." Show me at the FLABar Link for Rules of Criminal Procedure where it says what you said: http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement Your way off LOL! LOL OK

LOL – “Second degree murder carries a minimum of 25 years where manslaughter does not have a minimum.”

Show me at the FLABar Link for Rules of Criminal Procedure where it says what you said:

http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement

Your way off LOL!

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463686 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:33:48 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463686 @ ANT, Financial and Bankruptcy Law not criminal law, however I'd agree on almost every reason you put forth with why Stand Your Ground does not apply to Zimmermans case. @ ANT,

Financial and Bankruptcy Law not criminal law, however I’d agree on almost every reason you put forth with why Stand Your Ground does not apply to Zimmermans case.

]]> By: LOL http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463685 LOL Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:33:43 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463685 @Fs 776.031 Second degree murder carries a minimum of 25 years where manslaughter does not have a minimum. That is a huge difference in my opinion. I'm not following your train of thought, you can pursue somebody and still have a fear for your life. People today are unpredictable. I mean look at LEO's, they pursue individuals and sometimes have to use deadly force to protect themselves. I'm sure they were not expecting to have to use their weapon in every incident but when they are in fear for their life, by law they can protect themselves. It isn't fair to bring in Zimmerman's creditability because he lied about his finances. Does that make him guilty because he lied about his finances? No. Does it prove that he was not in fear for his life? No. Does this case hinge on his finances? No. @Fs 776.031

Second degree murder carries a minimum of 25 years where manslaughter does not have a minimum. That is a huge difference in my opinion.

I’m not following your train of thought, you can pursue somebody and still have a fear for your life. People today are unpredictable. I mean look at LEO’s, they pursue individuals and sometimes have to use deadly force to protect themselves. I’m sure they were not expecting to have to use their weapon in every incident but when they are in fear for their life, by law they can protect themselves.

It isn’t fair to bring in Zimmerman’s creditability because he lied about his finances. Does that make him guilty because he lied about his finances? No. Does it prove that he was not in fear for his life? No. Does this case hinge on his finances? No.

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463684 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:25:46 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463684 @Oatka, WHAT, do you even know what you said????? We're debating it here like everywhere. Exactly what's you point of nitpicking legal scholars? Where are you going on your trip to fruitcake land? U up-set that you couldn't pass L-Sat to get into Law School. What's point??? @Oatka, WHAT, do you even know what you said?????

We’re debating it here like everywhere. Exactly what’s you point of nitpicking legal scholars? Where are you going on your trip to fruitcake land? U up-set that you couldn’t pass L-Sat to get into Law School. What’s point???

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463683 ant Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:25:35 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463683 The reason why i think zimmerman shouldn't be able to pull self defense under the "stand your ground" law is because from my stand point zimmerman violated statutes of the "stand your ground law" as far as being in someone elses yard, not having the legal right to be in multipal peoples back yards stalking someone with deadly intensions/weapons and for two, its difficult for zimmerman to prove great bodily harm to court and for three, he ignored dispatch. his family doctors comment on report states zimmerman shot in self defense, a doctors comment can't be held creditable. Seem like zimmerman was trying to cook up some professional creditability to hide behind "even my doctors says it" type thinking. o'yeah they should have his wife tell what she know about the murder for lesser sentence. Remember it take a lie to cover a lie now think how many things he lied about, it take a lie to cover a lie, do you understand? So many lies The reason why i think zimmerman shouldn’t be able to pull self defense under the “stand your ground” law is because from my stand point zimmerman violated statutes of the “stand your ground law” as far as being in someone elses yard, not having the legal right to be in multipal peoples back yards stalking someone with deadly intensions/weapons and for two, its difficult for zimmerman to prove great bodily harm to court and for three, he ignored dispatch. his family doctors comment on report states zimmerman shot in self defense, a doctors comment can’t be held creditable. Seem like zimmerman was trying to cook up some professional creditability to hide behind “even my doctors says it” type thinking. o’yeah they should have his wife tell what she know about the murder for lesser sentence. Remember it take a lie to cover a lie now think how many things he lied about, it take a lie to cover a lie, do you understand? So many lies

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463679 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:20:03 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463679 @ LOL, Try having IRS Criminal and US Prosecutors making legal threats at you. State Prosecutors are like lovably puppies to IRS Criminal and US Prosecutors. I know what the ones look like that break under prosecutor threats, real or not! George Zimmerman will break under prosecutor legal threats, no question about it. Zimmermans already acted in a way that clearly shows he's very, very worried. Zimmermans wife being arrested will make his mind race that much more now! George Zimmermans a breaker, it's all over him. @ LOL, Try having IRS Criminal and US Prosecutors making legal threats at you. State Prosecutors are like lovably puppies to IRS Criminal and US Prosecutors.

I know what the ones look like that break under prosecutor threats, real or not!

George Zimmerman will break under prosecutor legal threats, no question about it. Zimmermans already acted in a way that clearly shows he’s very, very worried.

Zimmermans wife being arrested will make his mind race that much more now!

George Zimmermans a breaker, it’s all over him.

]]> By: STOP THE PURGE http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463677 STOP THE PURGE Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:17:46 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463677 "The evidence the public has right now in no way proves George Zimmerman is guilty" Are you familiar with something called the Court of Law? Pretty sure the public doesn't get to see all the evidence and then make a decision. LOL, jeez. What is this, amateur hour? “The evidence the public has right now in no way proves George Zimmerman is guilty”

Are you familiar with something called the Court of Law?

Pretty sure the public doesn’t get to see all the evidence and then make a decision.

LOL, jeez. What is this, amateur hour?

]]> By: oatka http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463675 oatka Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:15:56 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463675 FS776.031 reply to oatka: Left Field? Then I take it that those posturing in the press against STG law are merely nitpicking legal scholars and not those trying to cash in or push their agenda? Please. Denial is not just a river in Africa. FS776.031 reply to oatka: Left Field? Then I take it that those posturing in the press against STG law are merely nitpicking legal scholars and not those trying to cash in or push their agenda?

Please.

Denial is not just a river in Africa.

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463666 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:07:29 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463666 @LOL, Don't kid yourself, with Zimmermans Bond revoked and now wife charged. Zimmermans creditability has taken major hits already. Manslaughter is 2nd degree. U speak like they aren't. State under Manslaughter 2nd Degree much less burden of proof on states part. All state has to do is prove that Zimmerman didn't fear for his life. It's simple, no one can fear someone they are in purse of. If you're pursing someone you have no fear, your causing a incident then. That's like saying someones going to kill me, but instead of leaving bcuz you fear you'll b killed and the killer starts leaving, you decide to chase the killer. Once you decide to chase the killer down that you're allegedly in fear of, u can no longer claim you feared for your life. THAT SIMPLE. @LOL, Don’t kid yourself, with Zimmermans Bond revoked and now wife charged. Zimmermans creditability has taken major hits already.

Manslaughter is 2nd degree. U speak like they aren’t.

State under Manslaughter 2nd Degree much less burden of proof on states part.

All state has to do is prove that Zimmerman didn’t fear for his life.

It’s simple, no one can fear someone they are in purse of. If you’re pursing someone you have no fear, your causing a incident then.

That’s like saying someones going to kill me, but instead of leaving bcuz you fear you’ll b killed and the killer starts leaving, you decide to chase the killer.

Once you decide to chase the killer down that you’re allegedly in fear of, u can no longer claim you feared for your life.

THAT SIMPLE.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463654 ant Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:47:15 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463654 how come zimmermans pants and WHITE shirt dosent have any dirt, grass stain or blood as signs of a scuffle, same for red jacket? was zimmerman privilledged to stop at home before going to the police station for a quick bootcamp style shower? There is no blood on the bottom of the sleeve of jacket or shirt so much tampering, but theres a confession, lots of evidence just got to piece together a motive. how come zimmermans pants and WHITE shirt dosent have any dirt, grass stain or blood as signs of a scuffle, same for red jacket? was zimmerman privilledged to stop at home before going to the police station for a quick bootcamp style shower? There is no blood on the bottom of the sleeve of jacket or shirt so much tampering, but theres a confession, lots of evidence just got to piece together a motive.

]]> By: LOL http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463649 LOL Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:42:05 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463649 @FS 776.031 I don't think Zimmerman will plea out. I do not see him being found GUILTY of 1st or 2nd degree murder. They will probably try to get him to accept a manslaughter charge but it would be stupid for him to agree to that. The evidence the public has right now in no way proves George Zimmerman is guilty. If I were a juror of this case today, I could not convict him of 2nd degree or manslaughter. Granted we do not have all the evidence but the prosecution is going to have a hard time convicting him beyond a reasonable doubt. How will be "FOR-SURE" be convicted of 2nd degree murder. How can the state prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and that is was not out of self defense? @FS 776.031

I don’t think Zimmerman will plea out. I do not see him being found GUILTY of 1st or 2nd degree murder. They will probably try to get him to accept a manslaughter charge but it would be stupid for him to agree to that.

The evidence the public has right now in no way proves George Zimmerman is guilty. If I were a juror of this case today, I could not convict him of 2nd degree or manslaughter. Granted we do not have all the evidence but the prosecution is going to have a hard time convicting him beyond a reasonable doubt.

How will be “FOR-SURE” be convicted of 2nd degree murder. How can the state prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and that is was not out of self defense?

]]> By: Really?? http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463646 Really?? Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:31:23 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463646 The Zimmerman's ethics should be called into question much more than Trayvon Martin's. They are adults and he was a child. Shellie Zimmerman, the wife of George Zimmerman, has been arrested on a charge of perjury. A Florida judge has already revoked bond for George Zimmerman because of his lies. Can we believe anything that George and Shellie Zimmerman say? The Zimmerman’s ethics should be called into question much more than Trayvon Martin’s. They are adults and he was a child.

Shellie Zimmerman, the wife of George Zimmerman, has been arrested on a charge of perjury. A Florida judge has already revoked bond for George Zimmerman because of his lies.

Can we believe anything that George and Shellie Zimmerman say?

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463639 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:14:09 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463639 @ LOL, what a long stench this below is. ""NOT GUILTY of first degree murder. No way the state proves their case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It is impossible and this case should not go to court. "" I do agree that 1st degree murder is doubtful on conviction. Zimmerman will PLEA out, I've seen his kind they break easy under prosecutor threats TRUST ME! There will b a 2nd Degree Option too and Zimmerman will b convicted under 2nd degree murder FOR-SURE if he doesn't PLEA-OUT. @ LOL, what a long stench this below is.

“”NOT GUILTY of first degree murder. No way the state proves their case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It is impossible and this case should not go to court. “”

I do agree that 1st degree murder is doubtful on conviction.

Zimmerman will PLEA out, I’ve seen his kind they break easy under prosecutor threats TRUST ME!

There will b a 2nd Degree Option too and Zimmerman will b convicted under 2nd degree murder FOR-SURE if he doesn’t PLEA-OUT.

]]> By: FS 776.031 http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463634 FS 776.031 Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:07:50 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463634 @ OATKA, no, no your really in left field. In 2005 really only thing that changed was public spaces part. Before 2005 still had 776.012 for cars outside your property, then 776.013 was within your home. It's like the Seth Adams case, Seth Adams was on his property, Seth Adams had no legal right to retreat from his property. PBSO can't legally defend Seth Adams property again Seth Adams it's Statutory Impermissible. PBSOs Claim in under 776.031 is that PBSO had more legal right under 776.031 to defend Seth Adams property from Seth Adams himself. It's Statutory Impermissible that PBSO had more legal right than Seth Adams did on his own property. So your way off oatka. @ OATKA, no, no your really in left field.

In 2005 really only thing that changed was public spaces part. Before 2005 still had 776.012 for cars outside your property, then 776.013 was within your home.

It’s like the Seth Adams case, Seth Adams was on his property, Seth Adams had no legal right to retreat from his property.

PBSO can’t legally defend Seth Adams property again Seth Adams it’s Statutory Impermissible.

PBSOs Claim in under 776.031 is that PBSO had more legal right under 776.031 to defend Seth Adams property from Seth Adams himself.

It’s Statutory Impermissible that PBSO had more legal right than Seth Adams did on his own property.

So your way off oatka.

]]> By: ant http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463633 ant Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:04:51 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463633 right its a state law thats why he walked free the first time as a particial reason but its now in federal hands. right its a state law thats why he walked free the first time as a particial reason but its now in federal hands.

]]> By: LOL http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/06/trayvon-martins-parents-plead-with-gov-scotts-task-force-to-change-stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-463631 LOL Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:59:23 +0000 http://www.postonpolitics.com/?p=32184#comment-463631 If I were a juror, I would say on this day the 12th of June 2012 we the jury find the defendant, George Zimmerman, NOT GUILTY of first degree murder. No way the state proves their case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It is impossible and this case should not go to court. If the Martin's really believe, “It’s a bad law. These laws are set up basically for the shooter to take an innocent life.” they are ignorant. If I were a juror, I would say on this day the 12th of June 2012 we the jury find the defendant, George Zimmerman, NOT GUILTY of first degree murder. No way the state proves their case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It is impossible and this case should not go to court.

If the Martin’s really believe, “It’s a bad law. These laws are set up basically for the shooter to take an innocent life.” they are ignorant.

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