Trayvon Martin’s parents plead with Gov. Scott’s task force to change ‘Stand Your Ground’
by Dara Kam | June 12th, 2012
Benjamin Crump, Sybrina Fulton, Jahvaris Fulton and Tracy Martin
Zimmerman claimed he shot their son Trayvon Martin in self-defense, permissible under the state’s Stand Your Ground law that allows people to use deadly force when they feel threatened.
“I believe my son was standing his ground…He was afraid,” Fulton told reporters outside the mega-church where the public is now addressing the task force for the first time since Scott created it after a national outcry over a delay in the arrest of Zimmerman. Authorities arrested Zimmerman two months after the Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford. “They do need to review these laws. “He was afraid…This is personal. They do need to review these laws.”
The couple also delivered 375,000 online petitions collected by Second Chance on Shoot First, a national campaign co-founded by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
“This is definitely personal to us. Our son has been sacrificed,” Tracy Martin said. “It’s a bad law. These laws are set up basically for the shooter to take an innocent life.”
Tracy Martin also disputed Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense, saying he ignored 911 operators instructions to remain in his vehicle and not to pursue Martin.
“He was defending himself against what?” Martin said.
The law gives the message that “it’s OK to be a vigilante in our society today,” Martin said. “The public is not going to stand around for it and we certainly aren’t going to stand around for it.”
Tags: Benjamin Crump, guns, Rick Scott, stand your ground, Trayvon Martin
June 12th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
If someone sucker punched me knocking me to the ground, slamming my head against the pavement, I would shoot him as well.
June 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Did they also talk with Gov Skeletor about their son being suspended from school and if he had been in school he’d still be alive?
June 12th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
If you were stalking someone and they sucker punched you, you would deserve it.
June 12th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
This law is bigger than trayvon and has saved many many folks from becoming victims of beatings and death. Elderly women,men and families. Maybe the low lifes will start to realize hey maybe I shouldn’t break into somebodies house! Duh!
June 12th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
So Ziggy, it’s Trayvon’s fault? Kids that get suspended from school deserve to.be shot? Just asking.
June 12th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Ted, you have supplied new info regarding the case. Trayvon was breaking into someone’s house. NOT!
June 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
“If someone sucker punched me”
LOL, are you saying that Trayvon Martin suckerpunched the guy who was stalking him and murdered him like a wild animal?
You are mentally ill.
Stand Your Ground is license to MURDER.
In America.
In the year 2012.
It is an abomination brought on by the Koch Brothers, ALEC, and the NRA.
And the teabagging Fox Noise Glenn Beck Rush Limbaugh SCUM OF THE EARTH fall for it, hook line and sinker.
Makes me sick.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
if someone pucnch you you shouldnt have the right to kill someone common sense will tell you that. If its going to be like that they need to start selling guns and ammo just for the purpose of stopping someone with out killing them. obviously zimmermanw head wasnt bashed against the concrete and if so he wouldnt be normal today he would be in a wheel chair slobbering on himself. He also wasnt leagally right being in someone back yard. He approached with an object in his hand yeah a flash ligh,t did the batteries work? and he had a gun. He also stalked which is a crime, and ignored dispatch, lied about some money, so you know he gonna lie about a first pucnh! The “stand your grounds law” makes the weak feel strong.You basicaly have marshal law in Florida but its put in a nice way called “stand your ground” Alot of people espeacially ANTI SOCIAL PEOPLE like me, can feel threaten even if you look our way, so beware of all the anti social people personality clash thats all it takes to set something off. If you wanna talk bull crap about some split second desision for your life your right you should defend your self and should have to lie about it unlike someone we heard of. Florida should just kick the law to the side or change rules regaurding the “stand your ground”. wild west repeats its self or a real life vice city dont even have to get a game system to play that for some people might think.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Angela Cory is FL’s Mike Nifong.
Understand this you leftist hacks, its call the 2nd Amendment. I have a right to carry and do so EVERYDAY!
I am a responsible gun owner, take classes to learn more, and practice on the range on a regular basis.
“It is an abomination brought on by the Koch Brothers, ALEC, and the NRA.”
Its called George Seros and his influence over the left who are sheep.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
trayvon having weed in his system “god bless his sole” and being suspended are irrelevant facts of the case. think of cause and effect now think about zimmermans actions. it is a relevant fact that zimmerman stalked martin. ITs relevant that zimmerman ignore dispatch. Its a relevant fact that if zimmerman didnt get out his car trayvon would still be alive. we can go on and on with relvant fact out weighing the irrelevant facts.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
ask your self a question if the scuffle ended going past several back patios how could all the evidence end up in one area. o yeah its relevant that zimmerman lied about the screaming for help it was trayvon voice, so far everythings been a lie. His nose suppose to been broken but on the video 3 days later at the police station nothing is wroing with his nose.My queston how trayvon 7-11 bag that he held his snacks in ended on the ground as evidence but the snacks are in his pocket?
June 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Stand Your Ground Law is the best law of the land. Every state should have it. It protects innocent citizens from facing civil suits after murderers and thugs try and harm them and then sue them after they get shot-all you proponents of removing it come talk to me after someone rapes your daughter, tries to shoot you and your family and then you get sued by his family after you shoot him. Liberals are just conservatives that have not been mugged yet-
June 12th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
How could Mr. Crump and Ms. Corey let the defense come with smearing Trayvons image and reputation the protect zimmerman so called statements yes statements (s) i mean plur more than one. They wont even release a couple of them, and wont even release phone record information on zimmerman at least a couple of text messages they were talkig about. They wont release one and they claim they have thousands of text statement from law enforement regaurding the trayvon shooting.
If zimmerman didnt act alone in the crime get him talking then.I didnt see anything on the club house videos are there more?
June 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
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is anyone up there at the microphone NOT being paid ?
the attorney’s meter is running for sure
the mother is on paid vacation donated by her co-workers
licensing fees are collected on the “justice4trayvon” t-shirts sold
i’m certain the others have some kind of money grab going on as well
not to mention the potential multi-million dollar pay-day on a wrongful death settlement in a CIVIL suit
plus all the related settlements by insurance carriers to avoid litigation in the continual money grab
cha – ching !
frankD
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June 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Why do the Martin’s get to have a spot in the discussions? The trial has not occured and the full truth isn’t known at this time.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
the stand your ground law has loop wholes for criminals to take advantage of. zimmerman was in a deprived state of mind he refered to trayvon as a ass whole and apunk before he killed him for nothing.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
We, The People voted for this law and wan’t to keep it. One dead hood rat is not going to change it.
June 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Tracy Martin said. “It’s a bad law. These laws are set up basically for the shooter to take an innocent life.”
This is exactly wrong. These laws are set up basically for the shooter to defend his home and family against a criminal who wants to do him harm.
June 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Poor, poor little 12y/o Trevon getting shot by that huge suma wrestler Zimmerman. This is a case of David and Goliath and David won (again). Travons mommy dearest and daddy should all be jailed along with all those agitators for insighting riots and costing the innocent taxpayers untold amounts of money. He chose a fight he couldn’t finish. bye bye thug!
June 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
according to the stand your ground rules was zimmerman legally right being in those people back yard with a gun.
Zimmerman is a flight risk he dosent like whe3n people wear hoodies dont you agree.
June 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
This message is disturbing to say the least.
**Wake Up White Boy**
The text description is very horrific !!!! As horrific as this is, it needs to circulate!!!
The animals pictured below car-jacked then raped Christopher Newsom, cut off his penis, set him on fire and fatally shot him several times while they forced his girlfriend, Channon Christian, to watch. An even more cruel fate awaited her!
Channon Christian was beaten and gang-raped in many ways for four days by all of them, while they took turns urinating on her. They cut off her breasts and put chemicals in her mouth… and then murdered her.
Knoxville (WVLT) – The District Attorney General of Knox County announced the list of charges facing now five suspects in the double murderof Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.
The District Attorney General Randy Nichols is not saying whether or not he will seek the death penalty, but he does say the State will seek conviction for all charges filed in a 24-page indictment from the Knox County Grand Jury. Lemaricus Davidson, 25, faces a total of 46 charges.. Letalvis Cobbins, 24, faces a total of 46 charges. George Thomas, 24, faces a total of 46 charges. Vanessa Coleman, 18, faces 40 Tennessee state charges. Eric Boyd, 24, also arrested in connection with the fatal car jacking, only faces federal charges as an accessory after the fact.
SO!!!!! Where’s Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson? Are they providing counsel and help to the families of the victims?
Of course not – the victims were white.
Why hasn’t this received National coverage by the news media like the Trayvon Martin case in Florida?
Oh, that’s right – the victims were white.
Why hasn’t the NAACP, ACLU, New York Times etc., called for an investigation?
Must be because the victims were white.
Why hasn’t the FBI been called in to investigate this as a hate crime?
Oh, that’s right – the victims were white.
So, if a white radio shock jock uses the phrase ‘Nappy headed’Ho, it gets 2 weeks of constant news coverage.
If two white people are tortured, raped, and murdered by a group of black people, it barely gets a blip in the news.
Pass this around, and maybe, just maybe, it will land in the hands of someone in the media or politics, who has the guts to stand up for the white people!! Or don’t because you don’t have the guts either!!
June 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Can’t we all just get along…?
June 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
776.031 Use of force in defense of others.
—A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate the other’s trespass on, or other tortious or criminal interference with, either real property other than a dwelling or personal property, lawfully in his or her possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her immediate family or household or of a person whose property he or she has a legal duty to protect. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.
This part of FS 776.031 provides the greatest problem. This section FS 776.031 is public spaces.
(A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.)
FS 776.012 & 776.013 are property related.
Another Example is the Seth Adams case
PBSO is using FS 776.031
(A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.)
So PBSO is misusing FS 776.031 law to say they can legally defend a property owner’s property, directly against the property owner themselves. Even Judge who signed Seth Adams property warrant misused that legal part with FS 933. Judge in warrant also condoning use of force directly upon a property owner on their own property. VERY DANGEROUS to PROPERTY RIGHTS
This part of FS 776.031 provides the greatest problem. This section FS 776.031 is public spaces.
(A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.)
IT THIS SECTION THAT GETs MISUSED.
PBC Judge Marx, who’s in Longwood has misused this section herself in ruling.
June 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
half these laws wouldn’t have to be written if there weren’t so many black thugs floating around. I’m sure there are plenty of good black families but it seems like there are a huge numbers of black criminals in this world? should I wait to see if the black guys are going to shoot first after I’m dead
get in the real world of fatherless thugs
June 12th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
How about the Parents instead of fighting the Stand Your Ground Law they should be pushing for a Stand Up and Be A Parent law. It is quite obvious that they BOTH FAILED to be a parent. They need to take responsibility that they both failed and put their (sweet angel) Trayvon in this situation.
June 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
SHELLY ZIMMERMAN ARRESTED FOR PURGERY!
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even better, the judge filed his ortder revoking George “G-murder” Zimmerman’s bail….
…and in his order he says that George Zimmerman DOES NOT RESPECT THE LAW!
“Most importantly, though, is the fact that he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process,” Lester wrote.
SO TRUE!
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-revoked-order-20120612_1_bond-decision-jailhouse-phone-george-zimmerman
June 12th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Bigwhitee, how about you show us that you can pass a college entrance exam.
You opinion is so blinded by hate of a race you could careless actual effect of Stand Your Ground Law.
I’ve successfully won Stand Your Ground Cases, 3 exactly in last year.
Your kid got shoot, you’d do nothing?????
Your foolishly blaming parents and showing just how uneducated you are. Come on, someones kid gets shot, parents are going to stand up for there child.
Human Nature.
June 12th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
It is dangerous to go on a vacation in Florida. They can shoot you if you walk onto their property. Vacationers, Beware!!
June 12th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
according to the “stand your ground” law and released evidence it looks like zimmerman didnt have the legal right being in those peoples back yard with a gun, and he wasnt on duty, and if he was whats he’s doing with a gun. he stalked trayvon with objects gun and flash lights, the motive so far is because he felt he was a punk, ass whole. So how long did zimmerman stalk martin he called dispatch after trayvon put his hoodie on. Trayvon on the other hand was talking to his lady longer than zimmerman was talking to dispatch, and described to her what was going on before he put his hoodie on to continue his journy in the rain after seeking shelter from rain.
June 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
The important thing that we all have to realize, when Zimmerman is aquitted of 2nd Degree Murder, is that 1) yes, he shot Trayvon; and 2) no, he did not break the law.
Legally, Zimmerman did nothing illegal, therefore should not be sent to jail.
And that’s the way the American Justice System is designed to work. Like it or not.
June 12th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
@DC Pete, there is little more to it than that.
Stand Your Ground is not American Justice System either.
That’s Florida Justice system.
Try again!
Lastly Dennis v. State of Florida from Dec. 2010 clearly noted Florida Supreme Court justices legal opinions that the Stand Your Ground Law was passed with procedural defects.
Forthtowit, if Florida Judges noted procedural defects in Dec. 2010 seems there is a lot of time between 2010 and Feb 2012 of defects not addressed.
You can’t stalk someone like George Zimmerman did and claim you feared for your life. You’d not of stalked had you actual feared for your life.
June 12th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
This is why the liberals sided with the race pimps. While, IMO, the Stand Your Ground law does not apply here, they are using this shooting to attack a law that has empowered the normal citizen.
In effect, they want to re-instate the The Ghetto Thug Protection Act.
June 12th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
If I were a juror, I would say on this day the 12th of June 2012 we the jury find the defendant, George Zimmerman, NOT GUILTY of first degree murder. No way the state proves their case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It is impossible and this case should not go to court.
If the Martin’s really believe, “It’s a bad law. These laws are set up basically for the shooter to take an innocent life.” they are ignorant.
June 12th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
right its a state law thats why he walked free the first time as a particial reason but its now in federal hands.
June 12th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
@ OATKA, no, no your really in left field.
In 2005 really only thing that changed was public spaces part. Before 2005 still had 776.012 for cars outside your property, then 776.013 was within your home.
It’s like the Seth Adams case, Seth Adams was on his property, Seth Adams had no legal right to retreat from his property.
PBSO can’t legally defend Seth Adams property again Seth Adams it’s Statutory Impermissible.
PBSOs Claim in under 776.031 is that PBSO had more legal right under 776.031 to defend Seth Adams property from Seth Adams himself.
It’s Statutory Impermissible that PBSO had more legal right than Seth Adams did on his own property.
So your way off oatka.
June 12th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
@ LOL, what a long stench this below is.
“”NOT GUILTY of first degree murder. No way the state proves their case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. It is impossible and this case should not go to court. “”
I do agree that 1st degree murder is doubtful on conviction.
Zimmerman will PLEA out, I’ve seen his kind they break easy under prosecutor threats TRUST ME!
There will b a 2nd Degree Option too and Zimmerman will b convicted under 2nd degree murder FOR-SURE if he doesn’t PLEA-OUT.
June 12th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The Zimmerman’s ethics should be called into question much more than Trayvon Martin’s. They are adults and he was a child.
Shellie Zimmerman, the wife of George Zimmerman, has been arrested on a charge of perjury. A Florida judge has already revoked bond for George Zimmerman because of his lies.
Can we believe anything that George and Shellie Zimmerman say?
June 12th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
@FS 776.031
I don’t think Zimmerman will plea out. I do not see him being found GUILTY of 1st or 2nd degree murder. They will probably try to get him to accept a manslaughter charge but it would be stupid for him to agree to that.
The evidence the public has right now in no way proves George Zimmerman is guilty. If I were a juror of this case today, I could not convict him of 2nd degree or manslaughter. Granted we do not have all the evidence but the prosecution is going to have a hard time convicting him beyond a reasonable doubt.
How will be “FOR-SURE” be convicted of 2nd degree murder. How can the state prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and that is was not out of self defense?
June 12th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
how come zimmermans pants and WHITE shirt dosent have any dirt, grass stain or blood as signs of a scuffle, same for red jacket? was zimmerman privilledged to stop at home before going to the police station for a quick bootcamp style shower? There is no blood on the bottom of the sleeve of jacket or shirt so much tampering, but theres a confession, lots of evidence just got to piece together a motive.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
@LOL, Don’t kid yourself, with Zimmermans Bond revoked and now wife charged. Zimmermans creditability has taken major hits already.
Manslaughter is 2nd degree. U speak like they aren’t.
State under Manslaughter 2nd Degree much less burden of proof on states part.
All state has to do is prove that Zimmerman didn’t fear for his life.
It’s simple, no one can fear someone they are in purse of. If you’re pursing someone you have no fear, your causing a incident then.
That’s like saying someones going to kill me, but instead of leaving bcuz you fear you’ll b killed and the killer starts leaving, you decide to chase the killer.
Once you decide to chase the killer down that you’re allegedly in fear of, u can no longer claim you feared for your life.
THAT SIMPLE.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
FS776.031 reply to oatka: Left Field? Then I take it that those posturing in the press against STG law are merely nitpicking legal scholars and not those trying to cash in or push their agenda?
Please.
Denial is not just a river in Africa.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
“The evidence the public has right now in no way proves George Zimmerman is guilty”
Are you familiar with something called the Court of Law?
Pretty sure the public doesn’t get to see all the evidence and then make a decision.
LOL, jeez. What is this, amateur hour?
June 12th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
@ LOL, Try having IRS Criminal and US Prosecutors making legal threats at you. State Prosecutors are like lovably puppies to IRS Criminal and US Prosecutors.
I know what the ones look like that break under prosecutor threats, real or not!
George Zimmerman will break under prosecutor legal threats, no question about it. Zimmermans already acted in a way that clearly shows he’s very, very worried.
Zimmermans wife being arrested will make his mind race that much more now!
George Zimmermans a breaker, it’s all over him.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
The reason why i think zimmerman shouldn’t be able to pull self defense under the “stand your ground” law is because from my stand point zimmerman violated statutes of the “stand your ground law” as far as being in someone elses yard, not having the legal right to be in multipal peoples back yards stalking someone with deadly intensions/weapons and for two, its difficult for zimmerman to prove great bodily harm to court and for three, he ignored dispatch. his family doctors comment on report states zimmerman shot in self defense, a doctors comment can’t be held creditable. Seem like zimmerman was trying to cook up some professional creditability to hide behind “even my doctors says it” type thinking. o’yeah they should have his wife tell what she know about the murder for lesser sentence. Remember it take a lie to cover a lie now think how many things he lied about, it take a lie to cover a lie, do you understand? So many lies
June 12th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
@Oatka, WHAT, do you even know what you said?????
We’re debating it here like everywhere. Exactly what’s you point of nitpicking legal scholars? Where are you going on your trip to fruitcake land? U up-set that you couldn’t pass L-Sat to get into Law School. What’s point???
June 12th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@Fs 776.031
Second degree murder carries a minimum of 25 years where manslaughter does not have a minimum. That is a huge difference in my opinion.
I’m not following your train of thought, you can pursue somebody and still have a fear for your life. People today are unpredictable. I mean look at LEO’s, they pursue individuals and sometimes have to use deadly force to protect themselves. I’m sure they were not expecting to have to use their weapon in every incident but when they are in fear for their life, by law they can protect themselves.
It isn’t fair to bring in Zimmerman’s creditability because he lied about his finances. Does that make him guilty because he lied about his finances? No. Does it prove that he was not in fear for his life? No. Does this case hinge on his finances? No.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
@ ANT,
Financial and Bankruptcy Law not criminal law, however I’d agree on almost every reason you put forth with why Stand Your Ground does not apply to Zimmermans case.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
LOL OK
LOL – “Second degree murder carries a minimum of 25 years where manslaughter does not have a minimum.”
Show me at the FLABar Link for Rules of Criminal Procedure where it says what you said:
http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement
Your way off LOL!
June 12th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
LOL, your becoming funnier and funnier.
LOL – “”It isn’t fair to bring in Zimmerman’s creditability because he lied about his finances.”"
So in your mind LOL, if someone lies on court record (Financial Disclosure is Court Record),
that lie on court record shouldn’t be brought back up in other court proceeding to prove false testimony??????
That really make sense in you mind???
June 12th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The highest degree of murder is, obviously, murder in the first degree. Murder in the first is defined as a murder committed with intent, premeditation, and planning. For instance, if someone schemes out to murder their business partner and make it look like an accident, that would be murder in the first degree. First degree murder depends on the ability to prove premeditation, which is nearly impossible if the killer and the victim didn’t previously know each other.
Just below that is murder in the second degree. Murder in the second is functionally identical to first degree murder, but without premeditation and planning. An example would be if someone got into an argument at a bar and ended up stabbing the other person to death, that would be murder in the second degree.
Manslaughter encompasses all other forms of homicide which don’t rise to the level of murder, including cases where the person has a temporarily diminished capacity for rational judgment, or deaths arising from negligence or recklessness. For instance, if you had a bar fight that was provoked by the revelation that someone’s spouse was cheating on them, and one of the participants ended up dead, that could be manslaughter. Likewise, if you have a fistfight and one of the participants falls and cracks their head open on the pavement, that could also be manslaughter. Or, someone provoking a fight which then ends with them exercising lethal self defense–even if they met the legal definition for self defense, reasonably fearing for their life, they would still be culpable for starting the confrontation which resulted in death, making it manslaughter.
The penalty in Florida for murder in the second is a minimum of 16 3/4 years in prison, with up to life in prison or up to life probation at the discretion of the judge.
The penalty in Florida for manslaughter is a minimum of 9 1/4 years in prison, with up to 15 years in prison and/or up to 15 years probation at the discretion of the judge.
My statement of “25 years min” I believe is wrong. I will ask my family member who is a state prosecuting attorney for the state of FL for homicide and ask what she believes if you would like me to.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
LOL- “you can pursue somebody and still have a fear for your life”
When I was in Military, and I pursed someone in Europe late 90′s, never once did I purse someone I feared.
It’s a clear contradiction, if you fear, you’re attempting to get out of incident not race towards it.
Your police example.
PBSO has 2 cases that the public has many unanswered questions about how they claimed fear, many lawyers are even saying PBSO hand no legal right to be at Seth Adams property at all.
I used Seth Adams case as example. How does PBSO Claim a legal right to defend Seth Adams property from Seth Adams himself???????
Under 776.031 it’s Statutory Impermissible for PBSO to Claim legal right to defend property or self against someone on their own property.
June 12th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
LOL, save me the BS.
Where at FLAbar does it say what you said:
http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement
Just tell me the page!
June 12th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
LOL,
I know tons of US prosecutors, judges CIA people, etc.
All Rules of Courts are published including Judges here:
http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/tfblegalres.nsf/d64b801203bc919485256709006a561c/e1a89a0dc5248d1785256b2f006cccee?opendocument
Right now show me where anything you’ve said is in any Florida Rule’s of Courts.
U don’t need to wait to ask your family member. Even Judges Rules are at the FLAbar link here!!!!!
Your BS is falling apart quick LOL!
June 13th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
zimmerman couldnt been afraid for his life because he was the agressor persuing someone with a gun on more than one occasion with the same person, becaused remember he lost him at first. why didnt zimmerman get an adress of where he parked his truck? as far as the interview with dee,dee, yes trayvon was describing to her everything that was going on at the time. He felt threaten by zimmermans cold stares. remeber you can hear screams before the trigger was pulled and it wasnt zimmermans voice.
June 13th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
If YOU LOOK AT THE MAP TRAYVON SUPPOSE TO BEEN AT THE CLUB HOUSE WHY IS EVERYONE DWELLING ON THE ISSUE TRAYVON RAN DOWN TWIN TREES TO THE BACK WALK. It will be his normal route probally, but what if someone is stalking you wouldnt take you off route a little. He had to take off his normal route a little bit because how could someone realize thier being followed. Trayvon had to do something out of the ordinary to realize he is being followed.
Something like running down retreat view cirlce instead of twinn trees the route he usually takes then came down between housing complex’s where you may have trees and in the little cut trough spaces you see in the map. Look at the cut through leading from retreat view cirlce to a short diagnal turn leading to the back sidewalk where the incident took place, then zimmerman run downs retreat view to cut him off preventing him from getting to the back walk ways.
THink about it that wasnt the first time or day that zimmerman probally laid eyes on trayvon in that little community he had to see him before. maybe one of the overzealous minded 911 calls zimmerman made was also on trayvon but we will never know that, bottom line he knew where trayvon was headed and to which apartment i do belive, because he stated the direct objective, trayvon was head before he had to be heading that direction and why i think that because of all the running of both indivisuals and the location of the incident I can tell you trayvon was hunted down.
June 13th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
charges take a step up now that federals are involved.
June 15th, 2012 at 1:53 am
i think trayvon ran down retreat view then head down south through the little cut throughs thats between the buildings then zimmerman ran down twin trees looking up the cut throughs between the buildings linking retreat view circle and twin trees while still heading towards east part of retreat circle where he claimed to get address.
you can tell by the cell phone signals presented by dispatch. trayvon on the other hand paused a bit to see where zimmerman was going to come from before he took his chance to run down one of the cut throughs, between the building heading south toward home. Before then zimmerman waited around the same location he claim to get the address for police. he must of been steering gazing with his eyes down the sidewalk looking toward his vehicle expecting trayvon to come out one of the cut throughs intersecting off twin trees and also kelp focus on the east part, of retreat view circle looking north. so he was waiting in the dark where twin trees side walk meets with retreat view sidewalk occupying two directions,north up retreat view circle and back west toward his vehicle waiting for trayvon to come out a cut through between the buildings. {that probally explain the maple leaf on the ground at the scene coming from between the cut through between the buildings}. zimmerman could probally hear trayvon coming down the cut through and started to approach what he expected, with gun and flash light,in both hands. As trayvon came through the cut through heading south for home from leaving the top part of retreat view circle he made a slight diagnal left turn from the cut through to the back walk leading to his back door.As trayvon made the diagnal turn to get to the T of the sidewalk he realized zimmerman by surprise coming toward him from his left side, then trayvon admediately told his girl friend {something like} oooh “hes following me again” “he getting closer and closer”still getting a few feet on his back walk trayvon then turned around in a puzzled state of mind and asked zimmerman “what are you following me for? zimmerman reply with “what you doing around here? then again trayvon ask the same question, then zimmerman challenge trayvon again with the same question.trayvon back up to avoid and head home them zimmerman struck martin in the head on his hoodie with the flash light on the left side knocking out his ear piece throwing the first blow as he claimed martin did to him he done to martin.{prove me wrong then}
June 15th, 2012 at 11:05 am
The law is fine.If good guys don’t have guns only bad guys will.It’s our second ammendment right and duty to protect our families,selves and country from foes foreign or domestic.I’m sorry for the loss of your Son.Zimmerman will have his day in court and be tried by a jury of his piers as in accordance with Fl law.
June 15th, 2012 at 11:19 am
my name is ant could someone look at he map of the community and tell me if my theroy is correct? i think iam, it make more sence of the story of what happen, remeber trayvon been in that little community for a week before it happened so it cant be the first time zimmerman laid eyes on trayvon.He cut trayvon off from geting home. I do believe how many times trayvon been to the store that week did he ever talk about seeing zimmerman then? are there 911 calls made by zimmerman before the night of the incident during trayvons vist. and if so what does trayvons wordrobe looks like because zimmerman had to describe to 911.
June 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am
if bag was used to seal the chest wound why is there no blood on the bag. why is trayvons snacks in his pocket and the bag the snacks were in was on the ground marked as evidence. was it zimmerman walking around with the flash light in the begining what did he pick up or do? why johns story dosent match with eveyone else saying zimmerman was straddling martin with both hands. you can tell some witness’s tried to lie for zimmerman by changing thier stories. one seen a fist fight now they seen nothing. the other said throwing blows mix martial arts style now not sure. who are the nieghbor hood watch arty members in that community who was on duty. what are thier nieghbor hood watch suppose to be equiped with? flash lights. after it happen people ith flash lights came around the corner. the young man had to cough up blood out his mouth why isnt there blood on zimmerman.
June 16th, 2012 at 6:04 am
i wonder can zimmermans claim for getting punched first get reversed and be looked at as indirect circumstantial landing in prison?
June 18th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
George Zimmerman and Travon Martin were brothers, both of them being humans that were complex and imperfect. Travon is now dead despite his lack of a weapon or any evidence that he was guilty of any wrongdoing that might provoke a confrontation. After reading some of the more hateful comments that Travons white brothers have left on this messageboard, it’s not hard to imagine that a zealous man with a gun might hope that a “thug” would give him any reason to gun him down. And perhaps Travon gave him exactly what he was in pursuit of, a reason to use his gun. As responsible humans we owe it to both our imperfect brothers to seek the truth out as best we can without being ourselves guilty of playing favorites.
I was appalled when I read the story about the young man and woman who were so viciously abused and murdered. I was glad that their killers were in custody and I hope those who did this are executed no matter what their race. In all fairness however I’d expect a civil backlash if those killers were released after confessing what they did. That’s what happened initially in the Travon case. That’s what got the black community upset because there are senior citizens who can vividly remember a time in Florida when a lynching was fine with the police as long as you were lynching dark people. It’s 2012 now and it’s not OK for the police to dismiss confessed killers of unarmed children. And that’s a good thing for all complexions.