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Romney’s Mormonism doesn’t grow voters in Plant City

by Jane Musgrave | January 31st, 2012

Republican presidential candidate, former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney pauses during a visit to St. Paul's Lutheran Church while campaigning in a Berlin, N.H. neighborhood, Thursday Dec. 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

PLANT CITY – Wearing a top hat wrapped in an American flag scarf, 84-year-old Jean Barker Weaver wasn’t afraid to utter the words many pundits believe is the reason some Republican are supporting Newt Gingrich over Mitt Romney.

“I’m voting for a man who’s not in a cult,” she said as she waited for Gingrich to arrive at Fred’s Southern Cooking restaurant. “I’m a Baptist. I believe in God. Romney seems like a nice man, he has a nice family, but I don’t want someone from a cult being my president. And most of my friends don’t either.”

Others in this haven for strawberry-growers said they don’t share Weaver’s concern about Romney’s Mormonism.

But, 43-year-old Glenn Harrell said he likes Gingrich better than Romney because the former House speaker “he’ll stand up for Christians.”

Gingrich disrupted the lunch crowd at the buffet-style restaurant on his tour through the state’s mid-section, trying to grab some last minute support as Floridians go to the polls in the GOP presidential primary.

Cheryl Meeks, daughter of the founder of Roy Parkesdale Market, brought Gingrich 8 quarts – 11 pounds – of strawberries. Despite polls showing he’s trailing Romney,she said, “I think he’s going to do it.”

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57 Responses to “Romney’s Mormonism doesn’t grow voters in Plant City”

  1. Teapublican Says:

    Don’t they understand. Romney has magic underwear!

  2. Bot Says:

    Here are the characteristics of a cult:
    • Small? The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) has 14 million members in 132
    countries. In America, there are more Mormons than there are Presbyterians or Jews.
    • Excessive devotion? Mormons are devoted to the Savior, but in appropriate measure He would approve of.
    • Unethical techniques? Ask the pie-throwers to name one.
    • Control by isolation? Even if Mormons wanted to, this would be impossible with 14 million members in 28,000 congregations throughout the
    world.
    • Control by threats? Again, evidence? Mormon missionaries may be
    exuberant, but do not threaten.
    • Dependency on the group? The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is just the opposite. Mormons want members to be self-reliant and independent so they in turn can help others.
    • Powerful group pressure? Only if that’s the way the critics prefer to define love.
    • Strange? Guilty as charged. Mormons plead guilty to all the strange
    things that were done by Christians in New Testament times that were lost
    during the great falling away in the aptly named Dark Ages, among them temple worship, vicarious baptism for the dead, definition of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as separate but united in purpose, salvation requiring both grace and obedience to commandments, prophets and apostles, unpaid clergy, and continual revelation to guide His Church.

  3. CB Lee Says:

    I think calling LDS (Mormons) a cult is too harsh. I have attended many churches including Mormon. Initially, I was impressed by their follower’s dedication. But the things the general public doesn’t know about it might concern them if Romney is a traditional Mormon.

    Mormon’s are unashamedly Patriarchal (male superiority), Mormon’s believe in human prophets giving them visions that are to be obeyed regardless of any individual disagreement with the mandate. In fact I witnessed young men expelled from their “priesthood” for even questioning a “prophet” about his vision.

    As well like any religion there are good and bad people. But as far as I’m concerned it does bother me that his church leader may have a vision that requires Romney to act on that may not be good for America. I would like to see the media ask Romney about his personal belief in the Churches teachings.

    While he says he is not racist, I recall being told to look at a scripture that tells us to “not marry unbelievers” but it was applied to more than religion, in fact they referred to people outside of your race. In the end I walked away because I felt their was a lot of brainwashing and exploitation of the Bible and of supremacist type thinking against other religions and beliefs.

    Additionally, Romney isn’t a descendant of an immigrant at all. His Great grandfather was an American who fled to Mexico when the US passed the law against polygamy – and had 5 wives. One of whom gave birth in Mexico to Romney’s father.

    So Romney is not a legitimate “son of an immigrant”, he is not Mexican. He is the Grandson of a Mormon born in Illinois who left America to avoid complying with our laws. Then part of the family returned to the USA, but Romney’s father didn’t.

    It was later that Romney’s father immigrated to the USA and so Mitt was born in the USA as a citizen. Until Geraldo Rivera reported that it was terrible that Romney didn’t acknowledge his “Mexican heritage”, Romney hadn’t even mentioned it. And under the circumstances it is now clear why he didn’t. He isn’t Mexican.

    Funny though, once he hit Florida – all of a sudden he uses it to gain votes from the Hispanic community. Finally, as I read his lineage, it seems he is indirectly related to Jos Smith – the famous Prophet and Founder of the Mormon church.

    I wonder is Mitt Romney a Prophet too? If so that is scarey. If not he is still at the command of his church’s prophets above all others. Anyone who follows a religious “vision” and/or command over the voice of the nation and our laws should not be in such a seat of power as the Presidency of the United states.

  4. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Anyone who believes in the afterlife he is going to become a God, like Mormons believe the Christian God was once a man, create his own planet and have thousands of child brides is no one we can trust to be President.

  5. Go Mitt Says:

    And how abut Obama’s Black Liberation Theology, does that grow on them?

    Obama’s preacher, Reverend Wright has clearly did heard ‘gGod dam-ning America; Obama has attended church just 4 times since his election.

    If we can elect a Black Liberation Theology president, and we elected a catholic president, we can elect a mormon.

    Mitt never sold drugs, and Mitt never cheated on his wife. He’s stuck by her through her multiple sclerosis diagnosis and her breast cancer. That’s a man.

    The PBC DemoNcRat machine is at work at the PB Post.

  6. Thank Obama Says:

    How much did you pay for gas today!

    Yep, and Obama doesn’t want to drill, construct the pipeline from Canada, but he sure can give Brazil $2 Billion to drill. Damn they’re soon to be drilling off the coast of Cuba.

    Thanks all to Obama. OUT in 2012, and regain the Senate, too!

    Our nation’s decline will continue under the Obama administration. Obama can’t run on his record, he only talks about the ‘future’. OUT!

  7. Jeff Franklin Says:

    If it is a choice between the Cult of Romney or the Cult of Obama then I’d have to vote for Romney. But Newt is the better choice for the Republican nominee. Sure a Mormon LDS can be loyal to their wife here knowing as a god in the next life he’ll have hundreds of concubine wives. There is no excusing, defending the misogynist Mormon Cult. Catholicism is not a Cult but Mormonism and Black Liberation are both Cults! Right now we have better choices. Newt is one.

  8. Lori Says:

    We are Christians, we are not a cult!!

  9. Lori Says:

    We believe in the Bible, we believe the Book of Mormon to be another testament to Jesus Christ.

  10. declan Says:

    Idiots.

    Every religion can be defined as a cult. IN fact, every single religion started out as a cult — especially christianity in its original form: It had 12 members who communicated secretly, believing their idol was T H E Son of God.

    In my view, every religion is Man’s attempt to reach out to God; and I’d think it’s reasonable and probable that God respects worship in any civil, humane form. I have no problem with Mormons in terms of how they live, how they conduct their affairs, and what they aim to be and become.

    For some to act as if there’s an incongruity in their theology contrasted to that of the teachings of the Bible seems, to me, to be born out of either ignorance or cultural bigotry. The main point seems to be what happens after this life. Well, I have a family, I’m from a family, and hearing about eternal families doesn’t strike a foreign chord in me; I’ve never thought that wouldn’t be the case. What’s more, if God created Man in His own image, then what’s evident is that since we cannot live up to that image in this life no matter how hard we try, then what lies ahead is the ability to improve beyond what we are here in this life on Earth.

    Even if Romney were an episcopalian like me, I’d vote for him, lol

  11. declan Says:

    Oh, and my main point was that while every religion starts out as a cult, those that are fake religions do not grow beyond being a cult.

    Ergo. . . the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints is not a cult.

    But, Romney will be President of the United STates either way and we”l all be thankful

  12. Bill Kilpatrick Says:

    Calling Mormonism a “cult” is, itself, cultish behavior. It’s the kind of rustic, primitive, witch-hunting attitude one would expect from people with IQs in the double digits.

  13. RealDeal Says:

    ” Never over estimate the intelligence of the average American voter” – Benjamin Franklin

    I was amazed to read that ( average ) American voters are basing their choice of POTUS on their fear of a candidate’s religion. Wow. What religion is your dentist ,your heart surgeon, your auto mechanic? What kind of underwear ( 1/2 wit Teapublican) does your psychiatrist wear? People have given their lives to insure your privilege to vote and you waste it. Saying that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are not Christians is like saying that a trout is not a fish. If the LDS church is a cult…so is Costco™.
    Base your vote on what a candidate is capable of doing for America. Not on hearsay (1000 concubines?) B.S..
    Franklin was right.

  14. RealDeal Says:

    Jane Musgrave’s lopsided attempt at journalism proves that hatred, bigotry and racism is alive and well in America.

  15. James "Chip" Northrup Says:

    Mormonism is simply a gloried cult – based on a complete fabrication – a hoax “The Book of Mormon”

    Which Joseph Smith copied from a novel “The Manuscript Found” – not imaginary golden tablets from an imaginary angel.

    The only sensible Mormon is an ex Mormon. . .

  16. RealDeal Says:

    Hey Chip ( see: overestimated intelligence )…. even if that were true. If (it’s not)…. what would that have to do with a successful business man’s capability to serve as POTUS? Put your joint down….and go back and read my remarks about the religion of your barber, mayor and butcher. Will you change your barber because his great , great grandfather stole a horse? Fire your (shrink ) doctor because he is Jewish?
    The only good bigot is a dead bigot.

  17. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Christians do not believe that in the next life men will become Gods or that God was once a man!

    Christians do not believe that to enter heaven a man has to have 3 wives! Mormons are more like Muslims and Buddhists theologically than they could ever be called Christians.

    Christians including Episcopalian clergy believe that our salvation is not based on works as Mormons do but our belief and accepting Christ into our hearts as our Savior. Mormons believing that Christ and Satan are brothers is rejection of the trinity, that Christ is God. Christians do not believe that all religion are dangerous mind control Cults.

    Only way Mormons can stop being a Cult is to reject it’s false doctrines.

    You do not believe that Warren Jeffs’ F.L.D.S is a Cult? They just act out Mormon core beliefs in this life publicly.
    Someone who does not recognize Mormonism as a Cult is not using their intelligence or heart. All Cult experts do. Ex Mormons do! A study of Ex Mormon testimonies is a heart breaking experience what these people went through, L.D.S. / F.L.D.S.

    Think with your heart and stop insulting people’s intelligence with your Cult defender crud!

    Mormon daughters growing up believing they are nothing more than breeding stock to some Mormon man for eternity is spiritual, psychological abuse!

    American voters take in the whole picture of a man. Romney belonging to a Cult that subjugates women or Obama belonging to the Marxist / Black Liberation Cult are not what America needs.

    Benjamin Franklin never knew of the polygamist / misogynist Mormon Cult so we’ll leave his quotes out of this.

    Hatred and bigotry does describe Mormonism. Hatred of all non Mormons, who according to them are doomed to hell and believing that blacks fought on the side of Satan in heaven, were reincarnated as punishment by God with black skin. That is Mormon hatred and bigotry!

    I do not prefer Hindu doctors because they do not have the same outlook on life that Christian doctors do. Just because my mother had kidney failure a Hindu doctor shouted at me to let my mother die, unplug her!

    So religion does play a role in life and political decisions.

    A Jewish President, no problem, A Catholic or Orthodox President, no problem, a Mormon presdient… big problem.

    If Romney made his money ethically that’s one thing. But I do not know that.

    But if it’s between Romney and Obama I’ll hold my nose and vote for
    Romney.

    But the Republican nomination process is far from over. We’ll see!

  18. RealDeal Says:

    LOL@ Jeff.
    join the ranks of the clueless ( Chip) Jeff. I litteraly laughed out loud at your ” informed” comment. Where DO you get this crap?
    Do some legit research and stop talkin’ outta your Fruit of the Looms™. ( Blacks did what in where??…lmaooo).
    See….it’s dumbass statements like that one that expose your pitiful ignorance. You are a racist (Hindu remark) a bigot and the main reason some animals eat their young.
    3 wives….lol…..What? ??????

  19. RealDeal Says:

    Jeff Franklin was arrested in 3 states on drug charges. He believes that his daughters are breeding stock for the NBA. If Siegfried &Roy had a son….he would be just like Jeff Franklin.
    See…..I can lie about you too. Does that mean it’s true?
    Stay off the porch.

  20. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Insults and libel are not intelligent responses. Shows the typical low blow tactics of Cult Defenders. How could my preference not to use a Hindu doctor be racist? Hindus are Caucasian just as much as any Caucasian is. Same race as I am.

    Not ethnic bigotry either. Hindus are wonderful, beautiful people! Just preferences we all make when it comes to choosing a doctor who makes life and death decisions about our loved ones. Wouldn’t want an Atheist doctor either. Or a doctor who believes there are too many people on this planet.

    I’ve done my legitimate research. Your sweeping Mormon Cult abuses under the rug does not make them untrue!

  21. RealDeal Says:

    Jeff,
    To quote Ronald Reagan…”there you go again “.
    I am sorry that you are one of those people that have to hate someone else in order to feel good about yourself.
    Sucks to be you. Get used to saying “President Romney “.
    And try pullin’ your head outta your shorts.
    LOL@Jeff

  22. RealDeal Says:

    RealDeal 6
    Jeff Franklin 0
    Chip 0

    lmaoooo

  23. Jeff Franklin Says:

    My posts do not bleed with hatred but yours do. I do not insult you personally or refer to your body parts but yours do. Says a lot about you and your intelligence.

    You do not have any reply to any of my points I’ve made, just your hatred and insults.

    If you are typical of a Romneyite then that says alot about Romney too. About as rabidly fanatical as the Ron Paul Cult that is clearly racist, antisemitic!

    “Denounce racism, anti-Semitism and all ethnic or religious intolerance as evils. The ideals of our country leave no room for intolerance, anti-Semitism or bigotry of any kind, none. We must more fervently attack ugly intolerance. We have no place for haters in America.” ~ Ronald Reagan

  24. RealDeal Says:

    Jeff,
    You continue to lie and quote false facts. How would you feel if I said untrue things about you because of your homosexuality? I don’t say anything because, unlike you, I respect the rights and convictions of others. Whatever you and your Life Partner do with each other between the sheets after watching a rerun of Patrick Swayzie’s “Roadhouse ” is your business. Don’t be ashamed of who you are. Gays are becoming a mainstream influence in (parts of) America. Be proud.
    Just for the record….you are way,w “Denounce racism, anti-Semitism and all ethnic or religious intolerance as evils. The ideals of our country leave no room for intolerance, anti-Semitism or bigotry of any kind, none. We must more fervently attack ugly intolerance. We have no place for haters in America.” ~ Ronald Reagan ay,WAY off on what The Church of Jesus Christ teaches ( reincarnated blacks etc,etc,etc,etc )….WAY off. So….keep talking out of your “body part”….. that is if it’s not busy.
    Your great Uncle Ben Franklin is ashamed of your racist attitude.

  25. RealDeal Says:

    “Denounce racism, anti-Semitism and all ethnic or religious intolerance as evils. The ideals of our country leave no room for intolerance, anti-Semitism or bigotry of any kind, none. We must more fervently attack ugly intolerance. We have no place for haters in America.” ~ Ronald Reagan

    Apparently Jeff Franklin disagrees with this.
    I know that just because of your actions does mean mean that all gays are as mean spirited and hateful as you.
    Perhaps a lover has left you and you have not heard from him? Is that why you don’t agree with President Reagan’s plea for tolerance? Love hurts sometimes Jeff.
    (no pun in your case).
    Maybe you should get another cat or just have a good cry.
    LOL
    Poor Jeff.
    p.s. try to lose some weight

  26. Scotty Says:

    The comments about becoming God, getting our own planet, magic underwear and 1000 child brides just shows how some folks are completely and utterly 100% willfully ignorant about what Mormon truly beleive. The Mormon church spent millions on this “I’m a Mormon” ad campaign and it appears to be money wasted, as some of the previous comments show how assenine some folks choose to be. My name is Scott and I’m a Mormon….

  27. Scotty Says:

    “believe”, sorry

  28. RENEGADE Says:

    @ Go Mitt & Thank Obama
    AKA our pet racist serial posting troll.
    Obiwan, Big Dem, Same ole same ole etc.

    Obama does not adhere to any ” black Liberation Theology” your a sad little man to make these false accusations because you can’t stand an intelligent, capable, African American in the Whitehouse. Grow up and get over it.
    And how would you know how many times your President has been to church? You don’t!
    If you want the gov’t to control prices I suggest you move to China or Venezuela. We live in a free market Democratic Republic here. So it doesn’t work that way.
    Still with the same lie about Brazil. Obama never gave Brazil one penny to drill for oil idiot.Of course you know that already. China will be drilling off of Cuba maybe you should just move to China if thats important to you. See we don’t need anymore oil. We have more than we need now. That is why fuel is our #1 export.
    And the Koch brothers can just learn to live without their pipeline. It will not benefit the American people only the Koch bro. and the other big oil campaign contributors.
    I will put Obamas record against any GOP president in the last 50 years.
    Damn did I just screw up all your BS again? Whats that about 200 times now?

  29. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Your libel against me just shows how sick Mormon Cult Defenders are! I only have sexual relations with the opposite gender. Female!

    Some say homophobia, gay bashing like yours only conceals their latent closet homosexuality. So deal with it!

    So libeling me as a drug user and homosexual only brings Romney down to your gutter level.

    Exposing intolerant, hate filled Cults such as Mormonism is not showing prejudice, bigotry, it is exposing how intolerant, prejudiced, bigoted Cults like Mormonism are.

    Mormons denying what the core Mormon beliefs are shows how brainwashed they are to lie about their Cult’s beliefs or not know.

    Ask your local Mormon Bishop who controls every aspect of your life. If he does not confirm “becoming God, getting our own planet, magic underwear and 1000 child brides” then he is lying!

  30. RENEGADE Says:

    @ REAL DEAL

    Your rampant malice and hatred of those who have a different view than yours makes all your “Tolerance” talk into a bad joke and makes a blatant hypocrite out of yourself.
    Until you learn Tolerance in your own self you have no right to speak to anyone else on the subject.

  31. RealDeal Says:

    I agree Scotty.
    The phrase ” willfully ignorant ” says it all.
    The Jeffs of the world keep hate, racism, bigotry ,ignorance and just plain stupidity alive in this country.
    Jeff is a hater. Jeff’s life is confined to the limits of his ignorance an unwillingness to educate himself. The antithesis of under educated human cattle.
    He quoted Ronald Reagan on religious tolerance …..and then proceeded to trash everything President Reagan said.
    His lack of wit is his own worst enemy. The drive through windows and Walmart Security Guards of America are full of people that share his ability to progress only to a certain level in life.
    They rely on mis information that somehow gives them a reason to get out of bed everyday.
    Go back to school Jeff…..and this time…..pay attention .Maybe your life partner will come back and you two boys can cry on each others slender shoulders.
    lol…..told you to stay off the porch! !!!

  32. RealDeal Says:

    Lol@Jeff Renegade trying to be a bad ass……lol
    Renegade gas been arrested numerous times for domestic battery,possession of (Meth) a controlled substance and served mire time in jail than Lindsey Logan. Renegade defends Obama because his ( handouts) depend on him. So it makes sense. lol….the sad part is that he sounds like a 2nd gradertrying to break bad…lol.
    Uh oh….did I piss on your campfire? ….. lol.
    What’s that…..like 201 times now? ??
    LMAOOOOOOO

  33. RealDeal Says:

    RealDeal 10
    Jeff 0
    (Idiot) Renegade 0

    Lmaoooooooo

  34. RealDeal Says:

    Jeff = a human sheep (says whatever anybody else says that sounds cool…..lol)
    Ren = Obama leg hugger (Obviously afraid of African Americans)….lol….wants to show that he is their friend so they don’t jump him…lol….what a racist he is! But at least he’s not gay…………or …..naww ……lol

    LOL @” Jeff & Rene ….the “off brothers “! !!!! LOL

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

  35. RealDeal Says:

    I WIN! !!!!

    Am deleting this blogspot for under educated minimum wage earners off my list.

    I know damn well next time you’ll think twice about opening your cakehole when you don’t have a clue wtf you are talking about.
    Glad I could help educate some of you delinquents.
    Game Set Match!
    Bye losers. I’m off to clue in your counterparts at Wallgreens
    LMAOOOOOOO

  36. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Reported Raw Deal to site admin.

  37. RealDeal Says:

    LOL @ Jeff
    Jeff the sore loser that runs to mommy.
    lol
    Rene – lol….
    Rene got his _ _ _ handed to him.

    BYE losers

  38. RealDeal Says:

    Lol ……Jeff lost an argument and couldn’t handle it.
    LOL

    Thing is……it is soo sooo easy to bring down the Jeffs and Renegades of the world .
    3 down…..

    LMAAOOOOOOOO
    …….they messed with the wrong guy.

    LMAOOOOOOOO

  39. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Whoever stoops down into the gutter to hurl personal insults, libel is who loses the debate.

    What we have witnessed here is what myself and others have pointed to. Mormonism is a CULT!

    The depths of filth a Romney supporter / Mormon Cult Defender lowers themselves to to defend their Cult, Cult leader shows how rotten to the core that Cult is.

    The fish rots from the head down. Romney using steam roller tactics to destroy all his competition, as Obama does, like Raw Deal is doing here to defend Romney, is definitely not someone to trust as President. Raw Deal just showed us how corrupt the Cult of Mormonism is.

  40. RealDeal Says:

    If Jeff Franklin sees his shadow tomorrow ……it means there will be 6 more weeks of under educated human stupidity, hate, racism,bigotry, ignorance ( ignorance is a big word for you I know Jeff. It means someone who IGNORES the obvious) and unfounded fear of black people.
    LOL…..report that !
    By the way, hater, the only “the raw deal” is that cabbage between your ears.

  41. Jeff Franklin Says:

    No prejudice here. No fear of black people or any people. We are all created equal, all equal in God’s eyes. All of us come from the same grandparents, Adam and Eve.

    But Mormonism is a misogynist Cult that subjugates women falsely making men superior to them in God’s creation. Mormonism is a false religion, is not Christian and is a CULT!

  42. Scotty Says:

    @Jeff
    While Mormons do believe we are all children of our Father in Heaven, some spirits are greater than others, not like me and you, but played a broader role. Jehovah and in the beginning, Lucifer were two of them. Jehovah who is Jesus Christ followed the will of God the Father. He came to earth, lived a perfect life, attoned for the sins of the world and was resurected. While Lucifer had already rebelled against God’s will, became Satan and was cast out. To say we beleive Christ and Satan are brothers may technically be true, it is phrased as such to be intentionally nefarious. We are angels to The Most High God. Some angels are great and others fall. You also speak of the Trinity, which poses a question. While Christ was on the cross, he asked that The Father take the bitter cup from him if it be his will. So here’s a question. To whom was Christ speaking while on the cross? Secondly, please cite where in Mormon doctrine it states I will get my own planet and thousands of child brides. I must’ve missed it somewhere. Also, while Mormons do believe we need to be good people, we don’t believe we are saved by good works. We know that it is only through the attoning blood of the Lamb that we are saved.

    Mosiah 16:13
    And now, ought ye not to tremble and repent of your sins, and remember that only in and through Christ ye can be saved?

    Alma 38:9
    And now, my son, I have told you this that ye may learn wisdom, that ye may learn of me that there is no other way or means whereby man can be saved, only in and through Christ. Behold, he is the life and the light of the world. Behold, he is the word of truth and righteousness.

    Let me know on the planet and child brides thing… Peace.

  43. Jeff Franklin Says:

    Getting ready to go to work. Thanks for your non insulting post and questions Scotty.

    Here’s my research so far.
    http://cultbustersgalactica.yuku.com/reply/7398/MORMON-BELIEFS-SPECIFICALLY#reply-7398

    Read it with an open mind.

    There are no “spirits are greater than others”

    Only God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. All one as God. The trinity. Genesis 1 God speaks to the Elohim, the Son and Holy Spirit. Make man in “our” image.
    On the Cross Christ speaks to the Father, God. Not so hard to fathom. Not three Gods. One God in three, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

    Father in heaven, Christ on Earth, Holy Spirit left by Christ while Christ goes to prepare a place for us in heaven.

    There are NO “spirits greater than others”. Only God. Period!

    That is where you fall into a Cult, worshiping man.

    We are not angels, we are humans with souls who will be judged by God unless we accept Christ as our Savior so that our sins will be atoned for.

    More later.

  44. RealDeal Says:

    LOL@Jeff
    Jeff…..just because you read something on the back of a cereal box doesn’t mean it’s true. (see: cultbuster.com)
    You are the kind of man (sheep) that would stand on a train track and tell a locomotive that according to what you’ve heard…that it is not a real train…..and then get his dumb ass ran over. You just don’t get it. Try telling your Life Partner he’s not a true male and see what happens. You’ll be sleeping on your DNA stained couch for a week. LOL.
    And I still don’t understand how you can hate people based on the color of their skin. The whole world is not populated with white people. How is it that you have been elected as Judge? You already hate people that think differently than you. How far does that go? Do you hate people based on the car they drive as well?
    Do you hate because they don’t drink the same kind of (Keystone™) beer that you drink? You can’t keep talking out of your pasty white backside and expect to be taken seriously. As a gay man you of all people should be tolerant of the rights of others. But I get the idea that you think you are special. And that, my overweight friend, you are!
    LMAOOOO @Jeff Franklin

  45. Jeff Franklin Says:

    I don’t have any of your bad habits raw deal. Racism, homosexuality or intolerance. Don’t project them on me.

    Discuss issues, points civilly like Scotty did or bug off troll!

  46. RENEGADE Says:

    REAL DEAL

    Thats called deluded fantasy or being in denial. Your childish antics do not impress me in the least. They do make me wonder if you are even an adult.
    You feel better now that you have proven you can get upset and write nonsense like any 8th grader? Bet your mother would be proud wouldn’t she. She raised such a small “big man”!
    And I know its you. Want to be a big man in a mans world? I will give you directions and you can come tell me in person. Didn’t think so! Or are you one of these tough typing nobodys who hides behind his computer like his mothers skirt? Can’t carry on a intelligent conversation like an adult. All you can do is name call and try to insult others because you lack the intelligence to actually have an exchange of ideas.
    Let me know when you want those directions Mr. Little big man.

    JEFF
    &
    RENEGADE…GAME…SET…..MATCH *******

    REALDEAL…Going home with tail between legs.

  47. RealDeal Says:

    Lmaoooooooo
    you two lightweight wannabes can dish it out but can’t take it. Ill take those directions…..I’ve always wanted to visit Candyassville anyway. It’s obvious the the two of you are life partners. The two of you can have a good cry in the hot tub tonight. LOL
    Femegade talks crap just like Jeff…..surprise surprise when somebody that’s smarter than them jumps their ass for it. Give me that address Femegade. I won’t knock.

    RealDeal 109
    Femegade 0
    Jeff -5

    Lmaoooooooooo @ two asswhiped loudmouths.

  48. RENEGADE Says:

    525 avenida hermosa wpb
    Come on by big man! Put up or shut up!

  49. RENEGADE Says:

    ALL day tom. Thur.Feb.2

  50. RealDeal Says:

    wtf is a wpb?

    C’mon Femegade…. I knew you would tell me some phony address. Just like all of the “facts” you puke up ….phony…..just like you….phoney.

    Just tell me your real address w/ zipcode and the color of your trailer.

    RealDeal 178
    Femegade -22
    wpb…..lol

  51. RENEGADE Says:

    Looks like I was right all along.
    Realdeal is anything but. Just another loud mouth mommas boy. Guess his mommy wouldn’t bring him over and hold his hand for him.
    Get him some pepto bismol…hes got a couple of weeks worth of his own words to eat.
    I decided to give him a more appropriate name from now on realdeal is tinkerbell.
    Now run along little boy and let the adults talk.Go play with your sisters barbie dolls or try on her underwear, or something.Steal your moms victoria secrets catalouge.Go act out your fantasies somewhere else.
    Looks like your the loser and thats the realdeal!

  52. RealDeal Says:

    Wow….he said he’d give me his address …where the hell is pbj or wpb or whatever that address was. Lol@ femigade.
    I have a new name for him. RENEGADED……LMAOOOO.

    I dont blame you for the phony address….I know you are scared. It’s ok Renegayed …..don’t cry.
    LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

    Tinkerbell 134
    RENEGAYED -78

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  53. ExMarine Says:

    @ Renegade

    Dude. The more you post. The stupider you become.
    RealDeal is making you look like a fool.

    M.Sgt. D.O. Collins
    USMC ret.

  54. RealDeal Says:

    LMAOOOOOOOOO

  55. Scotty Says:

    @Jeff
    So let me get this straight, you’re saying that Jesus Christ is not greater than you or me? Okay? Also, who exactly is “the Elohim”? Further, you use the word “our” when saying the command was given to create man. If my knowledge of English grammar is correct, “our” would imply multiple, as in “we”, nor “I”. Please explain. Also, you say “Not so hard to fathom. Not three Gods. One God in three, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.” Right, this is Mormon doctrine as well. God the Father, his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. One God in purpose, yet three distinct beings. Christ wasn’t talking to himself on the cross and yes, the use of “our” image makes sense when talking about more that a single being. Further, do you beleive that Jesus Christ is the SOn of God? Would that not make him a God? So I ahve read your cult buster page and still do not see where in Mormon doctrine it states I get my own planet with 1000 child brides in the hereafter. You got hung up on the whole Kolob thing quite a bit and yes, I think it is metaphoric and not literal, but stay tuned for the second coming to find out for sure. In the end, I gotta give porops to all the “Christian” media that goes to such great lengths to tear down Mormonism. We’re just folks that have a testimony of Christ, doing the best we can to emulate him and be good people. Not tear others down. You would never find a Mormon run website bashing Baptists, Catholics, or any other belief of religion. I don’t know whom decided who gets to determine who is a “Christian” and who is not, but regardless, from where I stand, the quote “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” As quoted by Mahatma Gahndi seems to ring so true… Peace

  56. RealDeal Says:

    Still no zipcode.

    Sooo sooo so easy. So easy.

  57. RealDeal Says:

    lol @ ReneGayed & Jeff Franklin

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