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Senate holds civilized immigration reform meeting, stresses ‘decorum’

by Dara Kam | January 10th, 2011

The Florida Senate held a low-key information-gathering session on immigration reform late this afternoon, the first in a series of meetings coinciding with immigration legislation currently in the works.

Senate President Mike Haridopolos put Sen. Anitere Flores, a Cuban-American from Miami and chairwoman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, in charge of three meetings on the controversial topic that legislatures throughout the nation are grappling with.

Today’s meeting included presentations from federal immigration authorities and an update from state education, prison and highway safety officials as well as a law professor from Florida International University.

Flores said she hoped the cerebral kick-off would set the stage for future discussions to be held in “dispassionate and well-informed manner.”

But some lawmakers were clearly frustrated by what they heard.

- Florida taxpayers are spending about $33 million a year on locking up criminals who are confirmed aliens but not all of them may be here illegally, according to Department of Corrections official Jason Welty. The federal government pays the state back just $5 of the $53 a day it costs to incarcerate them, he said.

- Up to 5,000 Florida school children could be illegal aliens but education officials have no way of verifying whether they are or aren’t because of a federal judge’s order, Department of Education officials told the panel.

- Employers can only use the federal E-verify system to check whether employees are eligible to work after they’ve already been hired, Francine Hill of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said. In one of his first edicts issued immediately after he was sworn in, Gov. Rick Scott ordered state agencies to use the system.

Sen. Alan Hayes didn’t like that.

“I think it’s a bogus deal,” an irate Hays, R-Umatilla, objected. “If I’ve got to heir the man before I can use your system then your system does no good to tell me whether I should hire him or not. Your system just tells me whether I should fire him or not.”

Lawmakers are considering at least four bills dealing with immigration reform, including an Arizona-style law proposed by Rep. William Snyder, R-Stuart, that FIU law professor Ediberto Rámon warned would likely be struck down by the courts.

Snyder last week held a heated town hall meeting on the issue in Palm City.

An Arizona-style law would harm Florida because it could chase away international tourists and feed into the hysteria regarding illegal immigration, Rámon said after the meeting.

He cautioned that the Arizona-style law also could have a negative social impact in a state with so many legal immigrants.

“Once you have a scapegoat, you make them less than human,” he said.

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11 Responses to “Senate holds civilized immigration reform meeting, stresses ‘decorum’”

  1. Francis Says:

    When more than nine States propose legislation, to curtain the millions of illegal immigrants that freely walk the streets of America, you can address it as something seriously wrong with our government’s policies on this matter? As it been said, “America is a nation of Immigrants, but it’s also a nation of laws; without such a sound value, our country would fall into have anarchy. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS NOT ABOUT RACE, BIGOTRY OR ANY DISCRIMINATION ON THIS ASPHYXIATION ISSUE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, IT ABOUT MONEY! MONEY OUR COUNTRY DOESN’T HAVE ANYMORE TO SUPPORT MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL FOREIGNERS. IT’S ABOUT THE POLITICIANS PANDERING TO GET VOTES OR IMPORT CHEAP LABOR AND EXPLOIT THEM FOR BUSINESS OWNERS? THERE ARE MILLIONS OF HONEST LEGAL PEOPLE fFROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER INHABITANTS, WITH GENERATIONS OF FAMILIES LIVING HERE IN HARMONY. THIS PROBLEM IS ALSO ABOUT OVERPOPULATION AND THE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE NEED FOR EVER MORE ENERGY AND DRINKABLE WATER.

    This country for far too long as listened to the ramblings of the ultra-Liberal agenda, pushed by such individuals as George Soros and Americans being pacified by the “Political Correct” insaneness What this personage cannot influence, he buys with his money? Hopefully we have come to a turning point in our history where moderate conservatism in the form of the rising Tea Party advocates of every man and women, race and religion see through the Liberal agenda of the free flow of anybody who can hitch a ride across the border or fly in from somewhere else?

    The American people must join these political fighters who have authored anti-illegal immigration bills–not just the TEA Party membership, but the citizens and legal residents of Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas, South Carolina, Maine, Georgia, Utah, and Florida financially hurting from the illegal alien invasion. Each of these States is suffering from this illicit occupation and each and every one has severe money problems. Into this nation we should only be accepting exceptional skilled workers, who will not become a financial burden on taxpayers. We as a sovereign country are not obligated in any way in continuing finding room, for the poverty of other countries. One–in–Six of our own countrymen live on the poverty level, so we need to start extracting other foreign countries failures. It’s unlikely the Supreme Court will entertain a revision of the 14th Amendment allowing illegal alien mothers birthright citizenship to the babies.

    But the parents have no legal standing to stay in America, other than the child. Hurtful and uncomfortable as it seems to people, this law has become ultra costly to taxpayers. It has become a pyramid scheme where the new Mother applies for welfare in the child’s name and then intentionally becomes pregnant again. Once three of four children are born to the mother is awarded low income housing, then the rest of the family moves in, including other progeny that become pregnant and the whole money making game starts over again. Each child born here receives taxpayer’s money, food stamps and other public subsidies. There are major examples of poor newcomers in this criteria bring home $30.000 dollars in welfare payments, per household. If they do pay taxes most is returned in child credits and often duplicated as both parents individually are shown how to defraud the IRS.

    In the scheme of things, is the mantra that unceasing cheap labor is good for the economy,which is a downright lie,It has been shoved down our throats by Liberal extremists, who have infiltrated into the National media.

    Therefore the 1986 Immigration law can exempt any such clemency, and the illegal parent should be deported, with or without the child who can return on reaching adulthood. In 2007, it was estimated that there were more than 13 million illegal immigrants living and working in the United States (A government figure that is unlikely to be true), and of those 13 million, it is believed that annually they are giving birth to about 363,000 children in the United States. This is quite an alarming number. Hospitals are not required to ask for a woman’s documentation when she enters a maternity ward to give birth, and the children born to illegal immigrants are granted automatic citizenship to the United States under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of The United States. We hear daily from the left wing press that illegal immigrants pay their share of taxes, but the US government has produced evidence that for every dollar spent, foreign nationals receive three dollars back in tax credits and other programs.

    As reported by (FAIR) FAIR, the cost in 2010 of educating the children of illegal aliens is a whopping $5,850,000,000 dollars as opposed to the $14,380,000,000 it costs to educate the children of US citizens..Despite the fact that it still costs more to educate the children on US citizens, 29% of what the US spends on education in total is on ‘anchor babies and undocumented children alike and could be used elsewhere. An extra $1,220,000,000 is spent simply teaching those born to parents here illegally, English. The numbers are overwhelming. Where does all that money come from? The tax payers’ pockets, and that’s just in education. Most reports do not see the light of day, but this one from the reputable The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons must explored by the serious reader, to make any sense of the outrageous costs associated with babies of illegal aliens.

    In Stockton, California, the Silverio Family was featured in the Wall Street Journal in 2003 and a unbelievable monetary free ride after entering America? YOU MUST READ THIS REPORT ABOUT THE SPIRALING COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. IF NOTHING ELSE? IS IT NO WONDER THAT THE SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA is in its death throe payments, pandering to the illegal alien occupation. http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

    Then there is–CHAIN MIGRATION–afterwards, which is another incredulous expensive story. Sounds good! But ends up another financial burden on taxpayers in supporting legal immigrants, after the provider who signed an affidavit of support either cannot pay, stopped paying intentionally or lost his job. On retirement taxpayers foot the bill for all those older family members, who never paid a penny in social Security.
    Now is the time in joining the Tea Party organization near you and reclaim your rights. 202-224-3121 is the switchboard number for Washington, so that you can also contact your Congressional representative.

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  2. ?Unknown? Says:

    I don’t know how you guys can’t do anything about immigration. It is sooo sad knowing how people get deported or children get deported and family gets seperated no matter what. Or when people come to this country either crossing the border or any other way. Many hispanics die by crossing the border and mostly by polices shooting them or them suffering by coldness, thirst, or hunger. Maybe you guys may not care because it is not you or your family that this is happening to you but if it was you would be heart broken! Imagine that! If i was to become president i would try to make a huge change about immigration, i would try to do whatever it takes to make that change! I just can’t sit down and watch it happening i want to make a change about IMMIGRATION!!!

  3. Joel Wischkaemper Says:

    Ediberto Rámon warned would likely be struck down by the courts.
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    AND…
    “Once you have a scapegoat, you make them less than human,” he said.
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    Not really. Hispanics continue to tells us of horror stories that may come, and cannot rustle up a single concrete instance that they knew what they were talking about. And one instance doesn’t mean anything. Sad too.. it reflects a huge lack of understand on the matter of American History.
    These are the issues from an excellent source the illegal love to throw dirty names at. It just has to be good.

    http://www.numbersusa.com/content/issues.html

  4. johnny Says:

    People do not know the real problem , of these people who works all small jobs , why don’t we ask our selves why we have all this number , why people can’ t have a clear way to immigrate .. because the only way to immigrate to us is the green card lottery ,, then comes marriage and familly relative ,,
    so people wait and wait ,,why don’t we have a clear system for people depending on job needs of our country not the lottery ,,, or we can say , we have enough pepole , no more ,,

  5. JOE Says:

    Johnny.
    the problem is to many illegal immigrants started shooting off their mouths and saying they were going to take over , We have a second language now in this country because those who are of Hispanic national decided not to learn the language of this land. But forced us to add their language as well. The ones that have come across the boarder jumping the fence have killed our border patrol agents.
    Some may argue that the border patrol agents have done some bad things, but it goes back on those trying to come here illegally, If they would do that we wouldn’t have the problems.

    Sorry Johnny But there are to many issues now to list. Sorry but if you want to blame someone look to the big mouths who disrespected the laws of this land, Johnny the very laws that protect an illegal. The party is over.
    We’ve had enough, the keg is empty, It’s time to go home.

  6. Dirk Says:

    Elected officials state they may have up to “5,000″ illegal alien children attending public schools in Florida?? Theres five times that amount in Dade county alone.Start your fact finding mission with facts not estimates.

  7. Dirk Says:

    Elected officials may also wish to include pubilc hospital,social service directors into their fact finding missions.

  8. rick smith Says:

    I am a native american all the english people came to america with out permission and took over and to teach you all something English is not the official language were in the law it says english is the official language in the US. As a native american this is my country not the english people or the white people . So I think we should all be equall to each other and plus all the west coast was part of Mexico learn your History please.

  9. Facts Says:

    Francis by your short sidness you only wrote one side of what FAIR who is a RACIST ORG wrote, without checking facts from more RELIABLE SOURCES. This is from a non biased source, The Immigration Policy Center.

    This week, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) came out with a report entitled, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, which discusses the costs of unauthorized immigration to the United States. As usual, FAIR has put out a highly misleading fiscal snapshot of the costs allegedly imposed on U.S. taxpayers by unauthorized immigrants and completely discounts the economic contributions of unauthorized workers and consumers. Moreover, FAIR inflates their costs in a variety of ways and conveniently ignores any contributions that would offset these costs.

    While the publication is long and deals with a wide range of issues that warrant more dissection by credible economic experts, the trade publication Education Week has already begun the deconstruction with an item that sheds light on their misleading claims about providing English language services in schools.

    According to the Immigration Policy Center (IPC), FAIR’s report suffers from three fatal flaws:

    * The report notes that the single biggest “expense” it attributes to unauthorized immigrants is the education of their children, yet most of these children are native-born, U.S. citizens who will grow up to be tax-paying adults. It is disingenuous to count the cost of investing in the education of these children, so that they will earn higher incomes and pay more in taxes when they are adults, as if it were nothing more than a cost incurred by their parents.
    * The report fails to account for the purchasing power of unauthorized consumers, which supports U.S. businesses and U.S. jobs.
    * The report ignores the value added to the U.S. economy by unauthorized workers, particularly in the service sector.

    In contrast to FAIR’s report, the Perryman Group estimated that if all unauthorized workers and consumers were somehow removed from the U.S. economy, the United States would lose $552 billion in total economic activity (“expenditures”), $245 billion in Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and 2.8 million jobs.” This doesn’t count the billions it would cost to actually implement a mass deportation program.

    Another argument FAIR makes, which makes it hard to glean what their solution would be is the high cost of deporting undocumented workers which FAIR blames on the immigrants themselves. It’s a somewhat circular argument to say that the cost of undocumented immigrants includes the cost of failing law enforcement efforts. So, in essence, FAIR is saying that the deport-them-all approach costs too much money and doesn’t work. Yet their “solution” is to spend even more money on enforcement.

    FAIR’s data is meant only to reinforce their vision of “attrition through enforcement.” It is not rooted in an effort to move the immigration debate forward. Therefore, passing comprehensive immigration reform – which would yield a cumulative $1.5 trillion in added U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years – is the only sound economic decision the United States can make.

    SOURCE Immigration Policy Center

  10. Facts Says:

    Who is afraid of the poor FOOD PICKING, DISH WASHING, LAWN MOWING IMMIGRANTS ? NOT ME I AM A PROFESSIONAL. IF YOU AS A USA CITIZEN ARE Afraid to lose your dish washing, lawn mowing,room cleaning, roofing job to some poor undocumenetd immigrnat, GO TO THE MIRROR AND SLAPPPPP HARDDDDDDDDDDDD THE PERSON YOU SEE IN THE MIRROR , ONLY YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR YOUR LIFE NOT SOME POOR UNEDUCATED FOOD PICKER.
    ALSO GET EDUCATED IN WORLD ECONOMICS, MEXICO IS OUR 3 RD LARGEST TRADING PARTNER, THEY IMPORT $$500 BILLION WITH A B EVERY YER FROM USA, IF THEY STOP IMPORTING AND START BUYING FROM CHINA AND SELLING CHINA THEIR OIL, YOU WILL BE IN DEEPER POOP THAN YOU ARE NOW. SO STOP YOUR FOOLISH IGNORANT HATE.

    ABOUT PEOPLE THAT CROSS THE BORDERS ITS VERY EASY TO CLOSE THEM, EVERY STATE SHOULD SEND 1000 NATIONAL GUARDS= 50,000 GUARDS ON THE BORDER. PROBLEM SOLVED, ITS A LOT CHEAPER THAN FINDING THEM AND JAILING AND DEPORTING THEM.

    ALSO REMEMBER THAT ALL HUMANS ARE ALMIGHTY GODS CHILDREN, AND GOD TREATS YOU AS YOU TREAT OTHERS.

  11. Justice Says:

    Would you agree that education is never an expense, but rather an investment? People think that it would cost money to “fund” undocumented students and understand where they are coming from, but the reality is that they are not getting a free ride. They are going to just pay in-state tuition. You already know the price of out-of-state tuition and it not favorable. Well the students that want to educate themselves, the students that remember no other land but this great USA want stay off the streets are being denied the right to educate themselves. Allowing them to pay in-state tuition would increase enrollment and yes this would require more professional teachers and staff to be hired! Now we are only talking about the students, the parents or relatives will remain undocumented and they have very long restrictions before they are allowing into the U.S. We are just talking about the kids that were brought here without any say in the decision. They were merely following their parents, do we not all listen to our parents? Here’s a scenario, someone robs a bank and happens to have a child with them while they do it. Should the child be penalized for the fault of the parent? Does the child even know what is going on? Later these children find out that they are not legal, right when they want to attend an institution to BETTER themselves! It just makes sense…they want to be treated the same way that you are treated, you’re wondering, why? It is because they earned the right to be an American as much as you did. They learned about the country, they volunteered for the same organizations, they even want to serve in the military and yet they are not allowed to. I don’t know about you, but if you are willing to give your life for a country that you call home we must show some hospitality.

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