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		<title>By: imbobkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>imbobkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The board took his case “under consideration” is pure BS. They didn&#039;t wan&#039;t to make a judgement because this was a &quot;sex case.&quot; If they had taken his case “under consideration” there would have been a decision long before this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The board took his case “under consideration” is pure BS. They didn&#8217;t wan&#8217;t to make a judgement because this was a &#8220;sex case.&#8221; If they had taken his case “under consideration” there would have been a decision long before this.</p>
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		<title>By: ConfusedMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConfusedMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiance is in a similar situation.

The girl was 15, going on 16. She was known as the town tramp as well. He was passed out cold at her mothers house as he was friends with her mother, when the teen came home at 3am. My fiance was on all kinds of pills, and passed out from them, had no idea the girl was coming home as she was supposed to spending the night at a friends house.

The mom called police because he wouldnt have sex with the mom, and accused him of sex with the girl.

He went to prison for 6 years.

Now completely free, he has moved to another state, has registered, and has no place to live. He is having to live with his mother as we can&#039;t afford to buy our own house.

This happened 10 years ago when he was 25, so now what happens? When he is 60, people aren&#039;t going to read when this happened, just how old he is in the picture and her age and he will look like some big freakin pervert.

Also, the state it happened in has her age right, but the state he is registered in has her age as 14. And at the time of the offense she was pregnant with a 43 year old mans baby, and he didn&#039;t even get into trouble for it either. Cuz he had money.....

My fiance just wants to get on with his life. We just want to live. He is so tired of just wanting to hide from everyone. Ashamed, scared, and nervous people will hurt him. He is not a predator, or a child molester, but the stereotype is there. Murderers can get help with finding a place to live, but he can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiance is in a similar situation.</p>
<p>The girl was 15, going on 16. She was known as the town tramp as well. He was passed out cold at her mothers house as he was friends with her mother, when the teen came home at 3am. My fiance was on all kinds of pills, and passed out from them, had no idea the girl was coming home as she was supposed to spending the night at a friends house.</p>
<p>The mom called police because he wouldnt have sex with the mom, and accused him of sex with the girl.</p>
<p>He went to prison for 6 years.</p>
<p>Now completely free, he has moved to another state, has registered, and has no place to live. He is having to live with his mother as we can&#8217;t afford to buy our own house.</p>
<p>This happened 10 years ago when he was 25, so now what happens? When he is 60, people aren&#8217;t going to read when this happened, just how old he is in the picture and her age and he will look like some big freakin pervert.</p>
<p>Also, the state it happened in has her age right, but the state he is registered in has her age as 14. And at the time of the offense she was pregnant with a 43 year old mans baby, and he didn&#8217;t even get into trouble for it either. Cuz he had money&#8230;..</p>
<p>My fiance just wants to get on with his life. We just want to live. He is so tired of just wanting to hide from everyone. Ashamed, scared, and nervous people will hurt him. He is not a predator, or a child molester, but the stereotype is there. Murderers can get help with finding a place to live, but he can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: FriendOfAnother</title>
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		<dc:creator>FriendOfAnother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say previous to my understanding of what this individual went through point for point, I was one of the WORSE kinds of people a Sex Offender would want to know.

I was the one that wouldn&#039;t let go, pass out flyers, make calls; even call the media even want to spray paint the front of their house (which I never did but I wanted it to happen).. I was happy to hear one fellow who committed suicide after flyers were dispursed..

Now I am ASHAMED and am willing to work with whom ever to try to rectify this problem in the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say previous to my understanding of what this individual went through point for point, I was one of the WORSE kinds of people a Sex Offender would want to know.</p>
<p>I was the one that wouldn&#8217;t let go, pass out flyers, make calls; even call the media even want to spray paint the front of their house (which I never did but I wanted it to happen).. I was happy to hear one fellow who committed suicide after flyers were dispursed..</p>
<p>Now I am ASHAMED and am willing to work with whom ever to try to rectify this problem in the law.</p>
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		<title>By: FriendOfAnother</title>
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		<dc:creator>FriendOfAnother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend in a similar situation.  The girl was 16 I believe and she wanted HIM .. the guy was 23yo, they were deeply in love and he cared for her, now his life is ruined because her mother labeled him a rapist.. child molester, then changed her mind.. her daugher had been promiscuous in the past and she was the one that initiated the relationship and begged him to stay.  

He was jailed in TX and was looking at 40 years.  They finally reached and &quot;agreement&quot; (he just wanted to get out of jail and away from other sex offenders) and his life is permanently an irrevocably destroyed.

What he did was wrong, but this designation needs to be addressed; too many young &quot;guys&quot; are being caught up in that designation when they should be charged with something else.

Suffice to say, he learned his lesson, and has matured a lot from the adversity he experienced, but now he has the added horror of being a registered sex offender.

They should have a predator registry; and possibly another registry where an individual drops off of after a period of supervision to determine if the acts were predatory in nature and if not, the person has a hope for some kind of future in the work and social world.

This particular individual is great with kids, has no dependency problems, loves people and everyone who knows him loves him.  You can&#039;t help but love the guy.  He was just too trusting of this girl and was too &quot;stupid&quot; to ask her how old she was; she didn&#039;t bother to tell him either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend in a similar situation.  The girl was 16 I believe and she wanted HIM .. the guy was 23yo, they were deeply in love and he cared for her, now his life is ruined because her mother labeled him a rapist.. child molester, then changed her mind.. her daugher had been promiscuous in the past and she was the one that initiated the relationship and begged him to stay.  </p>
<p>He was jailed in TX and was looking at 40 years.  They finally reached and &#8220;agreement&#8221; (he just wanted to get out of jail and away from other sex offenders) and his life is permanently an irrevocably destroyed.</p>
<p>What he did was wrong, but this designation needs to be addressed; too many young &#8220;guys&#8221; are being caught up in that designation when they should be charged with something else.</p>
<p>Suffice to say, he learned his lesson, and has matured a lot from the adversity he experienced, but now he has the added horror of being a registered sex offender.</p>
<p>They should have a predator registry; and possibly another registry where an individual drops off of after a period of supervision to determine if the acts were predatory in nature and if not, the person has a hope for some kind of future in the work and social world.</p>
<p>This particular individual is great with kids, has no dependency problems, loves people and everyone who knows him loves him.  You can&#8217;t help but love the guy.  He was just too trusting of this girl and was too &#8220;stupid&#8221; to ask her how old she was; she didn&#8217;t bother to tell him either.</p>
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		<title>By: just peeved</title>
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		<dc:creator>just peeved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the 1st part of history this would not be an issue , To the monsters of middle east islam she would have been old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the 1st part of history this would not be an issue , To the monsters of middle east islam she would have been old.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, it&#039;s refreshing to see that a lot of people are aware of the undefined lines in cases like this. 

 I myself have to register as a sex offender. My case is very similar to this, a lot of people ask &quot;where are the parents in all of this,&quot; in my case i was 19 she was 14, I met her at my place of business, her mother would always talk about her daughters pubic hair and breast to me with her daughter present. She would tell me to move with her to some state to &quot;marry her daughter&quot; i always laughed jokingly.

  I was invited by her mother to go to her birthday dinner at the hard rock cafe, it was that that the mother said that what her daughter really wanted for her birthday was a kiss from me. Me being ignorant of the extreme of the laws thought it was safe and innocent enough. At the mothers approval i dated her daughter for some time. Then the day came when there was supposed to be an outing to an amusement park, the whole family was suppose to go. When i arrived at their house, i was told that plans had been canceled and i was to take her daughter by ourselves. 

  I did later on after the park we watched a move at my house where i received oral copulation, (take in mind i have never have and never will force anyone to do anything the don&#039;t want to do) at the time i thought it was Illegal to have sex with a girl under 18 i wasn&#039;t aware that included oral sex as well as that kiss i gave her on her birthday. 

  After that it didn&#039;t seem right so i ignored the situation and distanced myself from that family, i should of seeked help but i didn&#039;t know how and i was never taught the facts of society. 

  After a year went by i had a new girlfriend and we happend to run into the girl. there was not exchanged words at that time but a week later i was arrested. 

  During my court dates i was given a public defender, what 20 year old could afford a lawyer? this was the first time i ever went to court, i was scared, didn&#039;t know anything of how court goes. My public defender was not interested in fighting for me, he just wanted to get the case done as fast as possible. He built up a plea bargen like it was my only option. If i took it to trial i would of won. 

  Yeah you have a 50-50 chance on beating it and probably spending a great deal of time in prison, but the main fact here is that a trial is based on the decision of every day people like the ones posted on this forum a plea bargin is giving your life to the unpresent mercy of the court, and you see where that leads.

    That was about ten years ago, i don&#039;t condone my actions as a teenager and i payed for my mistake. Just recently a Neighbor found out and spread fliers around my neighborhood not know any facts or coming to me and asking me about it, after that they boycotted my work and my boss lost money and had to let me go. I&#039;m honest with people about my registration.

  My boss shouldn&#039;t have suffered because of what happend to me. My employers are very giving and decent people to the community, and they saw the decency and good in me.

 I know who i am, i don&#039;t approve of my actions as a kid but i will learn from them. 

I AM NOT A RAPIST.
I AM NOT A PEDIFILE.
I AM NOT A PREDITOR.
I AM NOT A SEX OFFENDER.

I really do prey for the people giving in fear to the media and for the people with closed minds.

I am happy for you Virgil keep forgiveness in your heart for the people who don&#039;t understand. Put the past behind you, live each day like its the best day of your life, and you will have a glorious life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, it&#8217;s refreshing to see that a lot of people are aware of the undefined lines in cases like this. </p>
<p> I myself have to register as a sex offender. My case is very similar to this, a lot of people ask &#8220;where are the parents in all of this,&#8221; in my case i was 19 she was 14, I met her at my place of business, her mother would always talk about her daughters pubic hair and breast to me with her daughter present. She would tell me to move with her to some state to &#8220;marry her daughter&#8221; i always laughed jokingly.</p>
<p>  I was invited by her mother to go to her birthday dinner at the hard rock cafe, it was that that the mother said that what her daughter really wanted for her birthday was a kiss from me. Me being ignorant of the extreme of the laws thought it was safe and innocent enough. At the mothers approval i dated her daughter for some time. Then the day came when there was supposed to be an outing to an amusement park, the whole family was suppose to go. When i arrived at their house, i was told that plans had been canceled and i was to take her daughter by ourselves. </p>
<p>  I did later on after the park we watched a move at my house where i received oral copulation, (take in mind i have never have and never will force anyone to do anything the don&#8217;t want to do) at the time i thought it was Illegal to have sex with a girl under 18 i wasn&#8217;t aware that included oral sex as well as that kiss i gave her on her birthday. </p>
<p>  After that it didn&#8217;t seem right so i ignored the situation and distanced myself from that family, i should of seeked help but i didn&#8217;t know how and i was never taught the facts of society. </p>
<p>  After a year went by i had a new girlfriend and we happend to run into the girl. there was not exchanged words at that time but a week later i was arrested. </p>
<p>  During my court dates i was given a public defender, what 20 year old could afford a lawyer? this was the first time i ever went to court, i was scared, didn&#8217;t know anything of how court goes. My public defender was not interested in fighting for me, he just wanted to get the case done as fast as possible. He built up a plea bargen like it was my only option. If i took it to trial i would of won. </p>
<p>  Yeah you have a 50-50 chance on beating it and probably spending a great deal of time in prison, but the main fact here is that a trial is based on the decision of every day people like the ones posted on this forum a plea bargin is giving your life to the unpresent mercy of the court, and you see where that leads.</p>
<p>    That was about ten years ago, i don&#8217;t condone my actions as a teenager and i payed for my mistake. Just recently a Neighbor found out and spread fliers around my neighborhood not know any facts or coming to me and asking me about it, after that they boycotted my work and my boss lost money and had to let me go. I&#8217;m honest with people about my registration.</p>
<p>  My boss shouldn&#8217;t have suffered because of what happend to me. My employers are very giving and decent people to the community, and they saw the decency and good in me.</p>
<p> I know who i am, i don&#8217;t approve of my actions as a kid but i will learn from them. </p>
<p>I AM NOT A RAPIST.<br />
I AM NOT A PEDIFILE.<br />
I AM NOT A PREDITOR.<br />
I AM NOT A SEX OFFENDER.</p>
<p>I really do prey for the people giving in fear to the media and for the people with closed minds.</p>
<p>I am happy for you Virgil keep forgiveness in your heart for the people who don&#8217;t understand. Put the past behind you, live each day like its the best day of your life, and you will have a glorious life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the fact that he was 19 and she was 14, if his intent was to marry the girl and if she was willing, it was not in the same catagory of a rapist or a child molester.  It was foolish, but under such circumstances it was not rape or molestation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the fact that he was 19 and she was 14, if his intent was to marry the girl and if she was willing, it was not in the same catagory of a rapist or a child molester.  It was foolish, but under such circumstances it was not rape or molestation.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived with my family for a year in northern Scotland back in the 1950s.  My older brother was stunned when a fourteen year old schoolmate of his announced that he was leaving school to go work for his father and that he was getting married.  At that time in Scotland age 14 was the normal age to leave school, unless one was going on to college after another four years of what essentially was &quot;college prep&quot;.  I believe that has changed now, but I never forgot that difference in perceptions, which was the more striking in that much else about society in Scotland at that time seemed quite similar to the US.  With several important exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived with my family for a year in northern Scotland back in the 1950s.  My older brother was stunned when a fourteen year old schoolmate of his announced that he was leaving school to go work for his father and that he was getting married.  At that time in Scotland age 14 was the normal age to leave school, unless one was going on to college after another four years of what essentially was &#8220;college prep&#8221;.  I believe that has changed now, but I never forgot that difference in perceptions, which was the more striking in that much else about society in Scotland at that time seemed quite similar to the US.  With several important exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pjay~
Took offense to your &quot;deaf/stupid&quot; statement.  If you are going to pose an argument, make sure you leave your prejudices at the door.  It will help your argument to have validity.  With you arguing that we have moved on as a society to modern times, it&#039;s interesting that you are still clinging to old beliefs/thoughts.  Practice what you preach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pjay~<br />
Took offense to your &#8220;deaf/stupid&#8221; statement.  If you are going to pose an argument, make sure you leave your prejudices at the door.  It will help your argument to have validity.  With you arguing that we have moved on as a society to modern times, it&#8217;s interesting that you are still clinging to old beliefs/thoughts.  Practice what you preach.</p>
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		<title>By: Brina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiance is 34 years old now. When he was 17 he fell in love with a girl only 14 yrs old. Her father despised of him and pressed charges as soon as he turned 18. He spent time in jail for that charge, and when he got out they continued to see eachother. They went on to have a baby girl who is now 13 years old and they married for over 5 years! His wife(at the time) eventually left both of them when thier daughter was only 4 yrs old. My fiance has raised her and still has custody. To this day he is a registered sex offender. He registered a month early last year and thought since he had registed a month early that he did not have to register again. Because he did not register (when they wanted him to) He is now in jail. They gave him 2 years all suspended but 4 months. 4 months in jail away from his daughter, even though he is the soul provider for her!! This is ridiculous!! Why should he have to spend this time in jail away from his daughter and be labeled as a &quot;sex offender&quot; when he fell in love, got married and has taken care of thier daughter by himself all these years? He has been told if he had money it could be taken off his record. Well We don&#039;t have alot of money. Why does it take money? He is a good father of not only thier 13 year old daughter but our 2 year old son. He is the best man I have ever known, Yet he is treated like some criminal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiance is 34 years old now. When he was 17 he fell in love with a girl only 14 yrs old. Her father despised of him and pressed charges as soon as he turned 18. He spent time in jail for that charge, and when he got out they continued to see eachother. They went on to have a baby girl who is now 13 years old and they married for over 5 years! His wife(at the time) eventually left both of them when thier daughter was only 4 yrs old. My fiance has raised her and still has custody. To this day he is a registered sex offender. He registered a month early last year and thought since he had registed a month early that he did not have to register again. Because he did not register (when they wanted him to) He is now in jail. They gave him 2 years all suspended but 4 months. 4 months in jail away from his daughter, even though he is the soul provider for her!! This is ridiculous!! Why should he have to spend this time in jail away from his daughter and be labeled as a &#8220;sex offender&#8221; when he fell in love, got married and has taken care of thier daughter by himself all these years? He has been told if he had money it could be taken off his record. Well We don&#8217;t have alot of money. Why does it take money? He is a good father of not only thier 13 year old daughter but our 2 year old son. He is the best man I have ever known, Yet he is treated like some criminal!</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, all of your examples are of people OVER the age of 18.  That is where the line  is drawn.  Who cares what the age difference is between consenting ADULTS? 

At issue here was the fact that the guy was nineteen and the girl was FOURTEEN. Now, I&#039;ll agree that the years apart might be minimal, but the emotional development and rate of maturity between those YOUNG years can make a huge difference.

I think a pardon for this man is the right thing to do given their particular situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, all of your examples are of people OVER the age of 18.  That is where the line  is drawn.  Who cares what the age difference is between consenting ADULTS? </p>
<p>At issue here was the fact that the guy was nineteen and the girl was FOURTEEN. Now, I&#8217;ll agree that the years apart might be minimal, but the emotional development and rate of maturity between those YOUNG years can make a huge difference.</p>
<p>I think a pardon for this man is the right thing to do given their particular situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: not the same &quot;Observer&quot; as post #71</description>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJay wondered &quot;what technology had to do with it&quot; regarding the acceptance of such relationships decades ago compared with todays accepted standards.

Historically, before the Industrial Revolution, the concept of &quot;childhood&quot; was non-existent.  Children were thought of as property, were put to work on the farms, in the fields and in the early factories.  It was not uncommon for young girls of twelve and thirteen to be &quot;farmed off&quot; to much older men in marriage in an effort to either reduce the mouths that needed feeding (one less in the family to worry over), or to extend the family by marrying off a girl-child into a more financially stable family (ensuring help for their own).

After children spent years working in factories, ten and twelve hour days as virtual slave labor, a consciousness began to develop in opposition to this practice due to the high rates of deaths, injury and disease among factory children. It was at this time that society created the concept of &quot;childhood&quot; which included the education, nurturing and protection of children.  Protecting children further included minimum age requirements for sexual consent and marriage, among other things.

Had it not been for the Industrial Revolution and the use of child labor, there  probably would not have been child protection laws and minimum age of consent laws. 

Advancing technology always compels society to address social change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJay wondered &#8220;what technology had to do with it&#8221; regarding the acceptance of such relationships decades ago compared with todays accepted standards.</p>
<p>Historically, before the Industrial Revolution, the concept of &#8220;childhood&#8221; was non-existent.  Children were thought of as property, were put to work on the farms, in the fields and in the early factories.  It was not uncommon for young girls of twelve and thirteen to be &#8220;farmed off&#8221; to much older men in marriage in an effort to either reduce the mouths that needed feeding (one less in the family to worry over), or to extend the family by marrying off a girl-child into a more financially stable family (ensuring help for their own).</p>
<p>After children spent years working in factories, ten and twelve hour days as virtual slave labor, a consciousness began to develop in opposition to this practice due to the high rates of deaths, injury and disease among factory children. It was at this time that society created the concept of &#8220;childhood&#8221; which included the education, nurturing and protection of children.  Protecting children further included minimum age requirements for sexual consent and marriage, among other things.</p>
<p>Had it not been for the Industrial Revolution and the use of child labor, there  probably would not have been child protection laws and minimum age of consent laws. </p>
<p>Advancing technology always compels society to address social change.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t approve of the age difference. At the time, she was only 14. He should have respected her enough to wait. Folks, here&#039;s a shocker for some of you... Right now there are boys &amp; girls a lot younger having sex &amp; kids. I know people that have relatives where boys at 8 have already had sex with 2 girls &amp; girls being pregnant at 12. That&#039;s a lot worse to me than what happened here. Yes he was wrong not to wait, but he loved her enough to marry &amp; stay with her - to me that means he was stupid not deserving sexual offender record. I know it only takes once though, had a friend who&#039;s family member molested her - true it was more than once, but once to me still makes it criminal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t approve of the age difference. At the time, she was only 14. He should have respected her enough to wait. Folks, here&#8217;s a shocker for some of you&#8230; Right now there are boys &amp; girls a lot younger having sex &amp; kids. I know people that have relatives where boys at 8 have already had sex with 2 girls &amp; girls being pregnant at 12. That&#8217;s a lot worse to me than what happened here. Yes he was wrong not to wait, but he loved her enough to marry &amp; stay with her &#8211; to me that means he was stupid not deserving sexual offender record. I know it only takes once though, had a friend who&#8217;s family member molested her &#8211; true it was more than once, but once to me still makes it criminal!</p>
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		<title>By: SamW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 3 kids and I cannot imagine them being molested or raped.  I think these laws should apply to molesters and sickos who rape young kids or even expose themselves to young kids or do other nasty things with kids.  

But its clear this law is being either misapplied or the enforcement is totally out of control.  When someone marries someone like this, it should automatically mean they are innocent. THey shouldnt have to spend a million bucks to defend themselves and leave their fate in the hands of politicians.  Thats not right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 3 kids and I cannot imagine them being molested or raped.  I think these laws should apply to molesters and sickos who rape young kids or even expose themselves to young kids or do other nasty things with kids.  </p>
<p>But its clear this law is being either misapplied or the enforcement is totally out of control.  When someone marries someone like this, it should automatically mean they are innocent. THey shouldnt have to spend a million bucks to defend themselves and leave their fate in the hands of politicians.  Thats not right.</p>
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		<title>By: CeCe</title>
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		<dc:creator>CeCe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What truly amazes me here is that everyone is totally against restoring convicted felons their rights, to include voting, once they have completed their sentences in prison and on probation, most for drug use, or mental health issues that resulted in criminalization instead of treatment, and the fact that let a convicted felon, who is not listed as a sex offender try to get a job and can not simply because even though he or she is qualified for the job and received job skills training while in jail he or she has a record.....but most of you here applaud this sex offender being pardoned as righteous and his &quot;punishment&quot; unjust as he was branded for the rest of his life. Well, if this isn&#039;t the kettle calling the pot black. How about the same sympathy for more of us who was dragged into the system for stuff like this and now are also branded for the rest of our lives and denied housing, jobs, and other things in life because of something that happened so young in our lives???? Bunch of hypocrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What truly amazes me here is that everyone is totally against restoring convicted felons their rights, to include voting, once they have completed their sentences in prison and on probation, most for drug use, or mental health issues that resulted in criminalization instead of treatment, and the fact that let a convicted felon, who is not listed as a sex offender try to get a job and can not simply because even though he or she is qualified for the job and received job skills training while in jail he or she has a record&#8230;..but most of you here applaud this sex offender being pardoned as righteous and his &#8220;punishment&#8221; unjust as he was branded for the rest of his life. Well, if this isn&#8217;t the kettle calling the pot black. How about the same sympathy for more of us who was dragged into the system for stuff like this and now are also branded for the rest of our lives and denied housing, jobs, and other things in life because of something that happened so young in our lives???? Bunch of hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and there is redemption haha. Who are you God? Where in the 10 commandments does it give an age limit on a relationship. In Other civilized countries it would be legal, but of course we live in the land of hypocrites bcuz of people like you. Go bow to your god nancy grace and stfu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and there is redemption haha. Who are you God? Where in the 10 commandments does it give an age limit on a relationship. In Other civilized countries it would be legal, but of course we live in the land of hypocrites bcuz of people like you. Go bow to your god nancy grace and stfu.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well guess what Observer....i dont give a damn what you say..i did the same thing. I had relationships with minors when i was in my 20s and their parents knew about it. As far as me being a dirtbag, I have more friends than you and its easy to jump on the hypocrite bandwagon with all the nancy graces of the world and say that i would be a scumbag. To me your a piece of crap and i gaurantee you wouldnt say it to my face punk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well guess what Observer&#8230;.i dont give a damn what you say..i did the same thing. I had relationships with minors when i was in my 20s and their parents knew about it. As far as me being a dirtbag, I have more friends than you and its easy to jump on the hypocrite bandwagon with all the nancy graces of the world and say that i would be a scumbag. To me your a piece of crap and i gaurantee you wouldnt say it to my face punk</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authorities have spoken.  However, that does not alter the fact that this guy is a dirtbag.  No, there is no redemption.</description>
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		<title>By: Capt. Fogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt. Fogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does no one ask the important question and keep harping on the morality of something that happened a long time ago?

The question is what kind of justice is served by continuing to punish a family that is hurting no one? Justice is for people, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does no one ask the important question and keep harping on the morality of something that happened a long time ago?</p>
<p>The question is what kind of justice is served by continuing to punish a family that is hurting no one? Justice is for people, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a low life to me.  I hope his so called kids do the same thing to hime and breed like rates under a bridge. He sounds like a real looser and we are supposed to feel sorry for him. Huh! Maybe he can get one of his girls pregnant and keep it in the family. He is a dirtbag and we all know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a low life to me.  I hope his so called kids do the same thing to hime and breed like rates under a bridge. He sounds like a real looser and we are supposed to feel sorry for him. Huh! Maybe he can get one of his girls pregnant and keep it in the family. He is a dirtbag and we all know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Legislating Morality&quot;
I think and it is my opinion that many of these laws have no place in law. a law defines a crime and it&#039;s punishment. Immoral behavior is not necessarily a crime. 

My grandmother was incarcerated for being pregnant at the age of 15 without a husband and was forced to give up my mother for adoption. Was this a crime? no. was it Immoral? based on the standards of morality at the time, Yes. 

Was this couple&#039;s behavior criminal on either part? no, as it was not destructive, senseless or unjust. Was it unlawful? Yes, as the law of the land indicated it as so, however unjust or incorrect as the law may be. It was Immoral based on the standards of the time.

We need to stop trying to legislate morality. We need to make our laws clear and distinct. Laws must not criminalize normal behavior. 

Let common sense prevail over hysteria.

Congratulations to the couple for hanging in there together, may they have many more years together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Legislating Morality&#8221;<br />
I think and it is my opinion that many of these laws have no place in law. a law defines a crime and it&#8217;s punishment. Immoral behavior is not necessarily a crime. </p>
<p>My grandmother was incarcerated for being pregnant at the age of 15 without a husband and was forced to give up my mother for adoption. Was this a crime? no. was it Immoral? based on the standards of morality at the time, Yes. </p>
<p>Was this couple&#8217;s behavior criminal on either part? no, as it was not destructive, senseless or unjust. Was it unlawful? Yes, as the law of the land indicated it as so, however unjust or incorrect as the law may be. It was Immoral based on the standards of the time.</p>
<p>We need to stop trying to legislate morality. We need to make our laws clear and distinct. Laws must not criminalize normal behavior. </p>
<p>Let common sense prevail over hysteria.</p>
<p>Congratulations to the couple for hanging in there together, may they have many more years together.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for me this is much welcomed news! 10 years ago i was the 14 year old girl who fell in love with the 19 year old guy who&#039;s parent&#039;s disapproved.  We lived in a small community and were one of the &quot;example&quot; cases of this in our area...so my boyfriend served 6 years in the Florida prison system. He came home almost a year ago now and couldn&#039;t be happier that we can finally be together.  However, it is bittersweet...there is a certain stigma he feels he wears.  The job search has been painful.  Not to mention the challenge of finding a place to live that will accept these &quot;criminals&quot;.  We finally found a renter kind enough to give us a chance, but followed by that one bit of hope came flyers with his picture and the label &quot;sex offender&quot; that were passed out to all of our new neighbors.  We must register all residences, vehicles, vessels, and he must re-register for the offender website twice a year.  But I could live with all of that...the worst part to me, is if we were to ever have children that he wouldn&#039;t be allowed to attend their school graduations or recitals.  Well after this long reply, I guess I just want to say that the decision in this case at least gives us some hope that maybe one day all of the bad can be erased.  The man that I love has a heart of gold and I want the best life possible for him...and that would start with just a normal one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for me this is much welcomed news! 10 years ago i was the 14 year old girl who fell in love with the 19 year old guy who&#8217;s parent&#8217;s disapproved.  We lived in a small community and were one of the &#8220;example&#8221; cases of this in our area&#8230;so my boyfriend served 6 years in the Florida prison system. He came home almost a year ago now and couldn&#8217;t be happier that we can finally be together.  However, it is bittersweet&#8230;there is a certain stigma he feels he wears.  The job search has been painful.  Not to mention the challenge of finding a place to live that will accept these &#8220;criminals&#8221;.  We finally found a renter kind enough to give us a chance, but followed by that one bit of hope came flyers with his picture and the label &#8220;sex offender&#8221; that were passed out to all of our new neighbors.  We must register all residences, vehicles, vessels, and he must re-register for the offender website twice a year.  But I could live with all of that&#8230;the worst part to me, is if we were to ever have children that he wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to attend their school graduations or recitals.  Well after this long reply, I guess I just want to say that the decision in this case at least gives us some hope that maybe one day all of the bad can be erased.  The man that I love has a heart of gold and I want the best life possible for him&#8230;and that would start with just a normal one.</p>
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		<title>By: cfc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elvis presley would have been on the sex offender registry had the laws been the same then as they are now.  HOw many of you would be on that list?  How many of your grandparents would be there too?  Give me a break, the registry should only have those who are dangerous and a threat.  These romeo and juliet cases are not of a dangerous mindset and should not be punished as such.  You see young ladies (13-17) that are pregnant and nobody thinks a thing about it.  YOu would not want this for your son if he were dating a younger girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elvis presley would have been on the sex offender registry had the laws been the same then as they are now.  HOw many of you would be on that list?  How many of your grandparents would be there too?  Give me a break, the registry should only have those who are dangerous and a threat.  These romeo and juliet cases are not of a dangerous mindset and should not be punished as such.  You see young ladies (13-17) that are pregnant and nobody thinks a thing about it.  YOu would not want this for your son if he were dating a younger girl.</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, give me a break.  This poor guy has had a horrible label attached to him undeservingly.  At 14, if you choose to have sexual relations with an older teen, then there is no reason to punish that older boy.  The 14 year old was not mentally traumatized, nor was she physically hurt.  It was something she chose to do, it made her happy to be with this young man and she is obviously still happy.  As someone who has gone through sexual trauma before, I have to say, some men get labeled as offenders without just cause, and those who truly are sexual predators get off way too light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, give me a break.  This poor guy has had a horrible label attached to him undeservingly.  At 14, if you choose to have sexual relations with an older teen, then there is no reason to punish that older boy.  The 14 year old was not mentally traumatized, nor was she physically hurt.  It was something she chose to do, it made her happy to be with this young man and she is obviously still happy.  As someone who has gone through sexual trauma before, I have to say, some men get labeled as offenders without just cause, and those who truly are sexual predators get off way too light.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://reformsexoffenderlaws.org

http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2007/09/11/no-easy-answers-0

Most Americans want to do the right thing but are simply misinformed.  Legislators, both state and federal, have made a big mess with these laws but aren&#039;t motivated (and too fearful) to take the time to make things right.  Shouldn&#039;t surprise anyone considering what&#039;s going on in Washington right now.  An informed public is the only answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://reformsexoffenderlaws.org" rel="nofollow">http://reformsexoffenderlaws.org</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2007/09/11/no-easy-answers-0" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2007/09/11/no-easy-answers-0</a></p>
<p>Most Americans want to do the right thing but are simply misinformed.  Legislators, both state and federal, have made a big mess with these laws but aren&#8217;t motivated (and too fearful) to take the time to make things right.  Shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone considering what&#8217;s going on in Washington right now.  An informed public is the only answer.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i posted an interview the news station did with the guy above</description>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKVwZVMEOsY</description>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it is surprising how many people here are on the side of the guy here. I think it is time they need to look at these laws</description>
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